Kimkins Lawsuit Review-

Justice and Divine Vengeance Pursuing Crime–

Proud’hon Pierre Paul (1808, Paris, Musйe du Louvre)

The Attorney Handling the Case

From the kimkins lawsuit blog –The attorney who is investigating this case is John E. Tiedt, a great consumer fraud attorney based in Riverside, CA, who can be reached via the following:

www.tiedtlaw.com

jtiedt@tiedtlaw.com

951-343-3320

Former Kimkins Members in San Diego County

A fellow blogger, Wildangel at Say No to Kimkins, had the following message:

If you are a former Kimkins member and you reside in San Diego County,

John Tiedt would like to hear from you.

Please email John.

Thank you very much for your help.

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I do hope that all former Kimkins members will consider joining the Kimkins Class Action Lawsuit. There is strength in numbers. If you have already joined the Lawsuit, please be sure that you get your affidavit to John as soon as possible.

Remember, if you need any help with this, be sure to watch the helpful video.

Thank you!

Where are we now in the lawsuit?

from Jeanessa at the Kimkins lawsuit blog

Lawsuit Update

February 22, 2008 by kimkinslawsuit

• 1) John Tiedt has now officially taken 2 depositions of Heidi Diaz.

• 2) John Tiedt has now officially taken 1 deposition of Brandon Diaz

• 3) We have learned that while Heidi Diaz was profiting from Kimkins through the Women’s World surge et al, she was also still accepting payments and income from SSDI and Medicare.

• 4) Heidi Diaz is still currently making money and still in business, however we have acquired new information that affirms the belief towards her concealment of assets.

• 5) We have uncovered evidence of more fraud and false advertising.

• 6) Brian Pugh is not an attorney, but he is an employee of Bert Cottle, and Brian formed Sharp Plumbing LLC, Halcyon Web LLC and the Beauchamp Trust for Heidi Diaz. John Tiedt plans to complete a deposition of Brian Pugh in the near future.

• 7) Bert Cottle has filed a demurrer that we are confident will fail. In addition, Bert Cottle has put in a motion to set aside the writ of attachment that is in place on Heidi Diaz’s assets. It is entirely up to the judge and she will hand down her decision after she has reviewed all of the court documents on 3/21/2008.

To Keep An Eye On The Case

All the current court documents can be viewed at the Riverside Court docs

Case watch

Edit- Jeanessa did an update on the lawsuit blog-

To Heidi, the Principals, my Fellow Duckies and all who are interested…

First of all, I’m angry.  So, this probably won’t carry the polite tone I try to keep in my normal, everyday interactions with everybody.  Forgive me now and let’s keep it moving.

I can’t thank the principals and others enough for being brave enough to put their names and faces on the fight against Kimkins and I can’t thank the Duck Squad (of which I am proud, card-carrying member!) enough for working hard and never letting up on revealing the lies and providing the information that has been needed to get this case off the ground. That being said, it has come to my attention that at least one of the principal representatives in the consumer fraud class action lawsuit against Kimkins.com and Heidi Diaz has been potentially scrutinized by Heidi and, possibly, her defense team.

I was well aware of the potential for this type of thing and did try to warn anyone who was interested in standing up against Heidi that this might be the case as the court proceedings progressed.  So, rest assured, none of us has gone into this with our eyes closed.

 Still, I have a few things to say…..MORE

HoneyBee’s Blog

I Am Not Ready To Make Nice with Kimkins

ConsumerAffairs Reports On The Kimkins Diet and Kimmer

Heidi Diaz has been attempting to get her pseudo-name Kimmer, and the name of her diet Kimkins, in the main stream public, since the conception of her website. One of her main tactics has been to use viral web marketing to spread her internet propaganda, so how ironic that it is the journey to her ruin that is now making Kimmer and Kimkins a hot topic.

The story has been covered in the media by several local news agencies, then the Fox Morning show with Mike & Juliet, and more recently the Good Morning America segment. Now, MSN has picked up the story, in thanks to writer David Wood from ConsumerAffairs.com, whose compelling review of the Kimkins saga, was quoted in MSN Smart Spending yesterday.

Yes, the hands of irony seem to be shaping this story. But as Kimmer continues to dole out her diet advice and carry-on her charade, it would seem that dramatic irony is a more accurate description-in where the irony of the situation is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play. So it appears Kimmer plans to stay in character until the final curtain call, which in a likelihood will take place in a court of law, because like they say- it ain’t over until the fat lady sings.

The following was a posted at ConsumerAffairs.com

Kimkins Diet Rolls On Despite Founder’s Excess Poundage

No starvation diet for “the Kimmer”

By David Wood
ConsumerAffairs.Com

February 25, 2008

Kimkins Diet The Kimkins story … The real story … • Kimkins Diet Rolls On Despite Founder’s Excess Poundage • Consumer Complaints about Kimkins • More Weight Loss News … — Photo by AllianceAgent.com

Waiting in line at your favorite grocery store is a guaranteed way to see the covers of magazines targeted toward women. It’s a real challenge to find just one week of a year where the cover of at least one check-out tabloid doesn’t have blaring headlines about weight loss or the most recent diet sensation.

“Better than gastric bypass!” “Kim lost 200 lbs in 11 months!” “Christin lost 100 lbs in 5 months!”

Those very comments appeared on the cover of the June 12, 2007 issue of Woman’s World Magazine. The story was a fascinating look at a weight loss diet known as Kimkins, created by Kim Drake, also known as the “Kimmer.”

The Woman’s World story begins by saying they sent out their spies to gather intelligence about Kimkins. The Kimkins website included numerous before-and-after pictures of not only the “Kimmer, but also happy members that had shed massive amounts of weight.

Woman’s World describes Kim as “smiling” when responding to questions. This implies that the Woman’s World interviewer was personally watching the response of Kim Drake. So, you would think that Woman’s World would have noticed that “Kim” was in fact a 300-pound woman.

Kimkins before & after, according to Woman’s World

The Kimkins website saw a huge increase in memberships due to the flattering Woman’s World cover story. Records introduced in connection with a class action lawsuit against Kimkins show that for the month of June, 2007, Kimkins pulled in over $1,200,000 in membership fees.

Mouthpiece needed

So great was the response that Kimkins needed to hire a public relations spokesperson — and there was no one better suited for the job than Christin Sherburne.

Christin’s picture had been featured on the Woman’s World cover, holding a pair of old jeans next to the headline: “Christin lost 100 lbs in 5 months!”

“I was excited about it,” said Christin. “I’ve been overweight all my life, and even though I had never met Kim Drake in person, I wanted to tell others how they could finally lose the weight as I did.”

Soon the Kimkins machine was in full throttle. Members were reporting faster weight loss than they had ever experienced on other diets, and Christin was in P.R. mode in her new role as spokeswoman for Kimkins. But little did Christin know what would happen next.

Job & hair loss

The job of a spokesperson is to represent your company and answer any questions that might be thrown your way, including those from the media. One day, Christin found herself facing questions that she couldn’t honestly answer … questions concerning medical claims and health issues related to the Kimkins diet.

“As a spokeswoman, people would ask me questions that I couldn’t answer, especially related to the medical safety of the diet,” said Christin.

Christin did the logical thing. She contacted Kim Drake, the founder of Kimkins. Christin sent a letter to the “Kimmer” in which Christin asked about medical claims of the diet.

Is the diet safe? Are medical authorities backing the diet? All reasonable questions that any spokesperson needs to be able to answer.

To Christin’s dismay, instead of getting answers to her questions, she received a pink slip. Kim Drake had removed Christin from her public relations job and offered her a much reduced role moderating the Kimkins forums.

While Christin might have been upset about losing her job, what was really upsetting was the fact she was losing her hair…….[………..]… MORE

Photo by AllianceAgent.c

Russian brides

“She (Heidi) went on this false advertising campaign. I think I lost count at 35 false testimonials and false weight loss stories,” said John E. Tiedt, an attorney and a member of the California Health Fraud Task Force.

“We now know that many of these pictures came from Russian bride websites. Even the so-called Kimkins website administrator was a fake, all created by Heidi,” Tiedt said.

“She had already made close to $2 million, but when she heard litigation was heading her way, she began an elaborate plan that would make it appear her business would be bankrupt by the time litigation occurred. In reality, she had over a million setting in a bank account,” Tiedt said.

ConsumerAffairs.com contacted Heidi Diaz but she said she could not comment due to pending litigation. A few hours later, she e-mailed us a complimentary member pass to the Kimkins website………To Read MORE
or the story in its entirety go to ConsumerAffairs.com *************************************************************************

Is Bobaraba the Next Potential Scam Of Heidi Diaz?

While on the LCF board tonight, member SMP mentioned a new dance craze called Bobaraba, which means “Big Bottom”. Now, you can’t mention a thing like a big bottom dance and not provide a dancing baby, a youtube video, or at least a link.

After twisting her arm, ok asking nicely, for details she pointed me in the direction of a BBC News link- “Ivory Coast’s Big Bottom Craze”

While the dance has been embraced by both sexes, DJ Mix says it was inspired by women.

“We made it as a tribute to women, because African women are defined by the shape of their bottoms,” he says.

“Move your bottom, jump, you see, it’s alive.”

Kady Meite, one of his dancers, says the song is a message for women.

“There are women today with large bottoms who are embarrassed, so it’s to say don’t be ashamed – be comfortable,” she says.

It appears that the Bobaraba would be right down Heidi Diaz’s alley for two reasons. Obviously, the meaning big bottom would fit her true physical appearance. Then couple that with the fact that this new craze is resulting in a black market of injections, sold as medications that can increase you bottom’s size, and voila you have a potential scam, with Heidi Diaz, the Kimmer, stamped all over it!

The women vendors at a local market are now selling syringes filled with liquid and labeled “Bottom Enhancers”. The BBC article goes on to say…

“You need to inject this liquid into your bottom once a day,” says a market trader, showing a vial of coloured liquid labelled “Vitamin B12”.

Each vial costs $2. The label claims it is made in China.

If you do not like the sound of injections, the same amount of money will also get you a small tub of cream.

There is no description of what the product contains or how to apply it; just the words “Big bottoms and big breasts”, and two illustrating pictures.

This new scam is no doubt a tempting venture for Kimmer, because it would be a way to scam women, yet again out of their money, and this time she could use her own pictures. No messy loose ends, like the Russian brides and no photoshopping, like she has had to do recently. In Heidi Diaz’s world it would be a win-win proposition!

Heidi is schedule to be in court tomorrow, to try to tie up those messy loose ends, so I have taken the liberty to show her how easily she could market the Bobaraba concept now!

Check out the marketing images for Heidi’s Bee Bopping Bobaraba

And you can’t mentioned big bottoms without adding some Sir-mix-a-lot, so thanks Nady for mentioning the perfect hook for the marketing concept.

Award Ceremony To Be Scheduled Soon!

In my last post I noted the award that should be bestowed upon Heidi Diaz, the Kimmer, who is the founder of the kimkins diet and it appears that the case ceremony will be heard held in front of “your honor” in honor of Heidi Diaz. The sentencing ceremony may be long, but mug shots pictures will be immediately following the event.
It would be outstanding if Woman’s World would decide to cover the event and back story on how Heidi Diaz, the Kimmer, earned this award.
But there will be more coverage on this case ceremony. So check out the Riverside Court House documents and the other blogs on my blogroll.

Case watchKimkins Diet
HoneyBee’s Blog
I Am Not Ready To Make Nice with Kimkins

Cheerleader Award Given To The Kimmer- Heidi Diaz

Does Heid Diaz deserve an award for something that may be one of her greatest achievements? If you guessed lying I was not referring to that talent. The title gives it away…Cheerleading!…Give me a G…..

I have reached the conclusion that Heidi Diaz, the Kimmer, must have been a former cheerleader for a team called the NADS. She would have been an excellent cheerleader too I might add, because Heidi has some of the biggest GO…NADS…I have ever heard. Heard tell of I should say.

I became acutely aware of her big GO-NADS when it was reported that she lied in her response to the California Attorney General’s office. A former member of Kimkins.com had contacted the Attorney General when they were unfairly banned from the website. The exKimkinette is also a member of the LCF boards, under the name Magicsmom, and she posted about receiving the letter from the AG. She then revealed that they also had included Heidi’s response as to why she, Magicsmom, was banned from Kimkins. Here is the post from LCF –
Low Carb Friends – View Single Post – Why the fascination with Kimmer? #13

Interesting what you find in your mailbox sometimes. I got a letter
from the Attorney General of California today. In it was a copy of the
response from Heidi about why she banned me. Oh my Lord!!!!! She gave
them a post that she took from HERE that was written AFTER I was
banned!!! Oh, I feel a letter coming on to the AG’s office. Attached
will be a screen print of the post they stole from HERE to use as their
excuse for banning me. When I find it, I’ll post the link to it. You
will see how laughable it is, because I say right in the thing that I
wrote it after I was banned. And they think THIS is a good response to
the AG? Heidi must have been hitting the Cap’n bottle the day she
cooked this up!

Magicsmom then shares the response that Kimmer had given the AG as to why she had to ban Magicsmom…..Dontcha know that Heidi claims she did it all for the other members y’all. Well, Bless Her Heart!

Low Carb Friends – View Single Post – Why the fascination with Kimmer? #13

She said to the AG the following: “Due to Ms. xxxx’s engaging in
malicious, disparaging, and false accusations within the forum area of
the website, she has been restricted from community discussion areas.
…….. Please see attached documentation of the comments made by Ms.
xxxx which was upsetting to other members and interfered with their
right to enjoy their membership.” Then she attached a screen print from
the administrative section of her website. This post of mine from LCF
on October 20th is pasted into their administrative page on my profile
and is the stated reason for my banning.

Low Carb Friends – View Single Post – Why the fascination with Kimmer? #13

Heidi didn’t send them a screen print from LCF. She copied the TEXT of my post to her own website, and edited it, I might add. She took out the part where I said I was posting for their benefit because I knew they were reading here. It was PASTED into the administrative section of KK as a description of the “private” reason I was banned. She LIED to the AG and told him I posted it at her site and it was “upsetting to other members and interfered with their right to enjoy their membership”. I didn’t post that at Kimkins and couldn’t have because I was banned. The AG’s office didn’t read it carefully, or they would have figured that out themselves.

……………..There is a slight problem with that. I wrote this post nearly two weeks AFTER I was banned. She lied to the AG and told him I posted this at HER forum.
Low Carb Friends – View Single Post – Why the fascination with Kimmer? #13

Then our buddy Rebel posts:

Is anybody having flashbacks of Sean Young’s character in Ace Ventura-Pet Detective? It has something to do with those gonads ya’ll were talking about the other night.

I was thinking the same thing Rebel! Well, not about Ace Ventura, good analogy, but I was thinking of the gall needed for such an act myself. Some would call it hutzpa, but we all know it takes a tremendous amount of audacity to do what Kimmer has done over the past few years. That and a lack of conscious has driven her to be a cheerleader when she would promote laxatives, encourage eating disorder behavior and lie about her weight loss.

Then Magicsmom breaks it down for us and note that the attorney handling the pending class action lawsuit has been given all the information!

……………………..The rub is in two issues:

1. The post she copied as the reason for my getting banned was written almost two weeks after they banned me. Oops, Heidi! The devil is in the details!

2. She lied to the AG and told them I posted it at her site. Wrong! She copied it from here! This is more than a faux pas. It is a deliberate attempt to mislead the Attorney General in their investigation. The last thing she wants is to admit to them she banned someone without cause.

I say that it could not have upset her members is because they never saw it unless they came here and read it. I have screen shots of my profile over at Kimkins proving my last post there was over a year before they banned me. Her goose is cooked! She copied a post from here written two weeks after she banned me and used it as her excuse for banning me, then lied to the AG and told them I posted it at her site. She is one piece of work.

Today I figured out how to use my Mom’s printer as a scanner, so it turns out it didn’t matter that DH forgot to take it with him. However, I figured that out late in the day, so I didn’t get a chance to go to the post office with it yet, but I’m sending it to John and to the AG through Priority Mail.

Ok, so once you can get over the sheer size of the GO-NADS that are needed to-one…lie to the AG and then two…think that you would get away with it, check out Mariasol’s blog, because she has a copy of the screen shot that Heidi sent to the AG. mariasol: Kimmer of Kimkins Lies to the Attorney General!

Now, after that I think you will agree that Heidi does deserve a Cheerleading award!

GO…………NADS!!! YAY, TEAM!!!

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Has Kimkins Caused You Harm?

If you purchased a membership in kimkins.com please take a moment to read the following:

Harmed By Kimkins? Share Your Story on National TV

Have you experienced medical problems due to Kimkins?

Do you have any medically documented health issues related to the
Kimkins Diet?

Do you have some free time this weekend for an exciting opportunity to appear from the comfort of your home, on national television, in a prime time spotlight?

If you have suffered any of the following doctor verified medical conditions:

• Dizziness
• Nausea
• Muscle fatigue or weakness
• Heartbeat palpitations
• Moderate to severe hair loss
• Bone and joint pain
• Mental changes – irritability, forgetfulness, confusion
• Bowel complications/symptoms of laxative abuse

as a result of your experience with the Kimkins Diet, and would like this exciting opportunity to share your experiences with the public, please contact KimkinsonABC@gmail.com within the next 48 hours.

No travel will be required, an ABC crew will come to you to discuss your experience.

If you know of anyone who fits the above-mentioned medical criteria, please share this contact information with them for this important opportunity.

Update- ABC taped a show exposing the  fraudulent acts of Kimkins.com as well as the unsafe calorie level of the Kimkins diet, which uses 500 calories a day as a way to offer fast weight loss. Kimmer often compared this calorie level to that seen in gastric bypass surgery patients.

The taped show was first picked up and shown on the ABC show- Good Morning America. Check out the show posted on the GMA website here- Kimkins video.

Christin did a great job in her account of her Kimkins journey and I am glad that she was willing to offer her story to ABC.  The story could still be picked up by other ABC shows and the I would love to see 20/20 do a big segment based on the story.

After viewing the story you may also find the follow up article of interest and want to leave a comment.
ABC News: Online Diet Comes Under Scrutiny

“Kimkins Miracles Do Happen”- Reads The Affiliate Marketing Article for Kimkins.com

Yesterday evening, while leaving comments at the various links that wildangel had posted, an affiliate “article” turned up. The article starts with the following-

“To those entire figure-concerned people who are frowning at the sight of their bulky abs and stomach- have you heard about Ms. Kimmer and her achievements? If you haven’t then, here is the surprise for you, she was the one who was able to lose more than 198 lbs in a single year, and she’s the one who actually shared her experience of her very own custom made diet which proved so amazingly successful- she is the founder of the Kimkins Low Carb Diet!”

The article was utilizing the same fraudulent claims that roped in the previous members of kimkins. But what really caught my eye was the title- “Kimkins Miracles Do Happen.” My first thought was sure, The Real Miracle is the Fact That No One Has Died From The Kimkins Diet?….Yet!
This is a concern that many of those aware of the Kimkins diet have been expressing- “It is a wonder no one has died from that diet”. It has been said in various ways but with the same tone of trepidation. We see the dangers of Kimkins, we read the posts of those doing the diet, we read the studies on the risks of a vLCD (very low calorie diet) and we pray that someone doesn’t die, before others are contemplating that these concerns could very well become a reality.

We need the various agencies to take note of the harm that Heidi Diaz’s advice can cause. Here are some of the posts where Kimmer/Heidi Diaz recommends daily stimulant laxative use. Note that many times it is not due to a member being constipated but expressing concerns over not losing weight.

A member asks:
Hi Kimmer,
I’ve been taking milk thistle for about 9 days and still not helping with making things move
I have 1000mg capsules and take once a day, should I take another later in the day?
I used a ex-lax type pill once and never again thank you…
If this doesn’t get me going I’m thinking of starting the MOM route…[…]…

Kimmer Responds:
If anybody is doing MoM, it needs to be a daily thing since Kimkins is low in fiber. If you take MoM and get “action”, then stop taking MoM, everything will begin backing up again and the scale will show a fake gain.
Are we going to be laxative addicts? No. Once you’re close to goal and begin adding back good higher fiber carbs (not Twinkies!), things will move on their own. Or maybe not? The market is chock full of laxatives and not everyone who’s buying them is doing low carb so there must be a serious constipation problem out there!
A reminder for dosage is take the maximum dose the first (and maybe second) night, then a 25% or 50% dose every night thereafter. It’s meant as a gentle reminder.

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A member asks:….[…]..I have read the other forum posts including the longish one by the moderator talking about the different kinds of laxatives, but I still dont really have a “plan” and need one.
Any help would be very much appreciated!

Kimmer responds:
Psyllium works by bulking and absorbs water. You might even see a temporary weight gain if it’s working as a “plug”.

I’d look into a stimulant laxative like epsom salts (blech!), Senakot or senna tea. Once you begin using a laxative you need to keep it up — otherwise you’re emptying the bowels and it will refill.
Kimkins is low in fiber (but in all fairness, the way most people eat isn’t anywhere near 30 grams of fiber a day anyway) so I suggest a 25-50% laxative dose every day to keep everything moving. I also take 4 milk thistle capsules (2 am, 2 pm) which has a natural laxative effect (but doesn’t produce instant results) and helps the liver.

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A member asks:
is it necessary to be on something like MOM or should ou wait until there is a problem??

Kimmer responds:
XXXX, you know your body best. Kimkins or Kimmer Experiment have very little fiber and some people have potty problems. The MoM (or epsom salts) help. I’m not a fan of laxatives, but I think it’s more dangerous to have waste building up inside.
If you need “something” I recommend taking a regular dose for 2 days, then a 25% or 50% dose every day after that as a gentle helper

****************

A member asks: Today is Day 6 of Kimkins for me. I’ve been very dedicated and haven’t had any cheats. However, this morning the scale was up .6 lbs. Anyone have any idea why that might be? …[…]..

Kimmer Responds:
First, remember that everything weighs something before it’s eliminated. (potty)
Second, check whether you need potty help since our fiber is low.
Third, if you’re using any bulking/fiber laxatives that will slow you down.
Fourth, be sure of your calorie/carb counts, sauces, cuts of meat, skip DaVinci.

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A Member Asks:I woke up feeling bloated and yucky so I decided to do a fast for 3 days. I have done them before and love the feeling and of course, the results. When I finish my fast do you think I should move to the KE or go directly to Kimkins?[….]…
Kimmer Responds:
Honestly, I think I’d go with Kimkins and break your fast with small “veggie” servings, every 2-3 hours.
If your calories are still low (and veggies naturally are), there’s no “gain” … other than food waiting around to be processed (ewww!)
When I break, I start with maybe .5 cup of lightly steamed veggies (cabbage, snow peas, sprouts) and maybe a steamy bowl of chicken veggie soup for dinner. A mild laxative might be something to keep in mind, just to keep things moving

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A Member asks:
Ok.. so I’m on day 4 of a water/diet soda fast and I get on the scale this morning, and I have GAINED a pound!!…[…]… I think possibly sleep deprivation might have something to do with it as well. I’ve been working alot of OT recently and I’ve been getting to bed at about 1:30am and then getting up at 5 am. I have not taken MOM for that reason…it would keep me up all night! I’m not going to give up yet, though..I’m going to take MOM tonight when I get home, and then once that’s over with, get a good night’s sleep. Any thoughts or opinions would be welcome though, because let me tell you, fasting for 4 days with no results is definately no fun.

Kimmer Responds:
XXXX, how’s “Potty” going? It’s impossible to be at 0 calories and not lose.

Sounds like a huge backup — or did you carb up before the fast? It’s a natural response to being deprived of food, but your body still has to process those carbs & deplete your liver.

Kimmer Responds again:
XXXX, if you (or anybody) takes MoM or other laxative, it has to be a daily dose.

If you take it once, clean everything out, the empty area will simply begin refilling again. All very low carb diets are low in fiber and the bowels slow down.

As you read the dangerous advice given by Kimmer, remember that this is just a small fraction of the recommended laxative abuse that can be found on the site. It is just a small glimpse of the disregard, that Kimmer shows for the potential health risks in her doling out advice.

This issue goes beyond the parameters of consumers who have been scammed. Yes, the members of Kimkins we scammed by Kimmer’s fraudulent marketing and I was one of the ones who fell for it too. But the effort of stopping Kimkins.com is not about reimbursement of the $60.00 that members paid for their Kimkins membership. The ultimate goal is to get federal agencies involved in order to stop kimkins.com. The ones fighting the fight are also using their voices to give notice to the potential victims, who may be anyone’s -Mother, sister, daughter, father, brother or son- that this is a dangerous route to take when trying to lose weight.

In fact- It is a Kimkins Miracle That No One Has Died From The Kimkins Diet?….Yet

If you bought a membership to Kimkins.com then please sign up for the Kimkins Lawsuit because we want Kimmer to answer to her actions!

image from- miracle stories
HoneyBee’s Blog
I Am Not Ready To Make Nice with Kimkins

The Fight Against Kimmer and Kimkins Needs You!

Many of us have been discussing how do we achieve our final goal of getting Kimkins.com to become an error page? How do we get more people to file out the forms, write the letters and get involved.

The pending class action lawsuit is a tremendous step in the right direction but will it get us to that final destination of a 404 Error page when a person tries to log into the kimkins website? If everyone would take a moment and review the steps needed to file a complaint:

 

The Facts of Life in the Kimkins Saga- You Take the Good You Take the Bad!

Click to hear the “Facts of Life”

Where is a Mrs. Garrett when she is needed?
Wow, who knew so many words of wisdom were packed into this 80’s tv theme song?!?!?
The song says:

You take the good you take the bad
you take them both and there you have
the facts of life

Maybe I was the only one allowed to watch sitcom tv or at least took away a life lesson from something besides an after school special. But life gives you good and bad situations, it will give you good and bad google searches, good and bad posts, and then good and bad days too.

It appears that some people only want to take the good that they can get from the LCF members, a.k.a- the redheaded stepchildren, but they can’t accept that there may be some bad that comes up along the way too.
Not all research will yield additional information and some leads will become dead ends.
Not every post will be pc, in good taste, or agree with the reader’s viewpoint, nor will every member’s post be a reflection of the total group.

There’s a time you’ve got to go
and show your grow’n and now you know

I don’t know about others, but I certainly feel that I have been shown a side of people in their words and their tone, displayed in recent posts, that I hadn’t seen in the past. I do feel that I know more about those people now.

When the world never seems
to be living up to your dreams
and suddenly you’re finding out
the facts of life are all about you

This seems to fit the recent posts from jimmy’s forum. It seems that guilt mixed with the stress of life was making…the world or LCF seem that that they are not living up to the dreams of some, and suddenly they are finding out the facts of life/some of the facts of the case are about them and now they want to make everything about them or their efforts to stop Kimkins.com.

It takes a lot to get them right
when you learning the facts of life
learning the facts of life….

It does take some time to learn and understand the objective of some or the person behind the words. I know I personally had placed respect for a person that now appears to have not deserved that respect, so I guess I didn’t get that one right.

Kimkins Diet
HoneyBee’s Blog
I Am Not Ready To Make Nice with Kimkins

Low Carb Forum “Fascination thread”- the Red-headed Stepchild of the Kimkins Investigation?

The idea that the LCF- fascination thread can at times become a tad, unruly or snarky is not a new theory. If the members who participated were told as much that probably would say….Yes, that is true so those who find it not to their taste, should in their own best interest, refrain from reading the thread.

But most of the time the thread participates are called “haters”, “lynch mob”, or it is implied that they are just there out of boredom; trying to find something to do while waiting for news on the legal aspect of things. This belittles every effort that has been in the past, currently and even future actions by those so called ‘haters’. That is where the defense mechanisms kick in and the members then feel compelled to defend all prior work on the case.

This scenario has happened more times then I care to remember, because quite frankly, it gets old. I have grown weary of defending the hard work that I know everyone is doing. Well, at least the ones that post there frequently. I also know there are groups that do work outside of LCF as well. I for one am feed up with those who love to read the updates and be in the know, but don’t want to subject themselves to our humor or whatever the person is condemning us for at the time.

You would think by now the members who participate in the “fascination thread” would have grown accustomed to being treated like the “red-headed stepchild” in the anti-kimkins family. Being told that yes we have been good, but not good enough! We get a pat on the head and a tongue lashing to hopefully put us in our place.

Then the scenario repeats itself again in a few weeks. Although the scenario has happened many times, one of the most shocking blows came from Becky a.k.a. Littlebit formerly of Kimkins.com recently.The following is Becky’s post on us the LCF members…..the red-headed stepchildren ………

Post- Dec 14 2007, 03:41 PM

I am actually very upset with the LCF people and the blogs for being part of driving that site out of business. In fact, I am furious!

They can like it or not, but she was not a fraud, she was successful and real, and was well within her rights to start a business selling her diet. Contrary to their misinformed opinion, anyone can sell a diet, without a doctor or nutritionist affiliated, as long as it is within minimal safe legal standards, which hers was (and Kimkins isn’t). She stated up front what the diet was better than Kimmer did (low carb, low cal, low fat), offered more support and more caution than Kimmer did, and kept calories higher, up within the range of MANY commercial diets that operate freely and unimpeded. The site cost her money she may or may not have recouped, and it certainly deprived her overnight of a stream of revenue she no doubt counted on. She has lost her business (and hopes of funding reconstructive surgery, apparently) right before what should have been her busiest season.

If they are opposed to anyone making money off of diet support, there goes entire sections of every bookstore in the country, and just about every diet board online, because they all make money to pay the bills somehow, whether in selling information, support services, ad space, or products.

If they think it is wrong to sell something without ALL the details being known first, they had better get appointed head of the FTC, and pull down half the marketing out there on the web. Better yet, become a majority in Congress, and change the rules. FALSE information, like Kimmer gave, is illegal. Withholding disclosure of info required by law is illegal. What the chicken site did is lawful marketing, whether we like it or not.

This was important to her, and a mere passing fancy to many of them, and they helped to destroy her business.

If it had had anything to do with Kimmer, WHY would the guy have taken out an ad for a freelancer to make it like the Kimkins site? After all, Heidi OWNS Kimkins, has the tech team that BUILT Kimkins, and could use that template to pop up another in a flash.

Congratulations. They ended up doing Kimmer’s dirty work for her, and managing to get her competition shut down.

They will not rest, apparently, until Tippy’s site and this lady’s site and anyplace else current Kimkins members might really fell warmly welcomed is gone.

Yet they are patting each other on the back and doing the happy dance. I am disgusted.

Furthermore, LCF still has the Kimkins diet there, with many Kimkins threads devoted to it. If the Magic Chicken Lady was dangerous, what about LCF? True, there is the Fascination thread, which has done a lot of good work, but the rest is also still there, too, and nothing to stop people from following it as Kimmer always promoted it. Tippy’s new site and the Magic Chicken site both have better bottom limits than that.

On top of that, they did to the Chicken Diet lady what they did to Tippy, and others — insulted her looks, questioned her intelligence, mocked her spelling and grammar (and that of her family), and cast aspersions on her character, her intentions and her other dealings, on the merest of suspicions, with scanty evidence. Debate over evidence is one thing, but ad hominum attacks are uncalled for.

They have even had a go at Hector Diaz, remarking that ‘maybe his elevator doesn’t go all the way to the top floor’. He has been willing and able to participate in providing valuable info to the proper people, and he comes under attack? Out of line!

I appreciate the value of the Fascination threads, and the good intentions and contributions of many people there. However, this out-of-control nonsense is exactly why many people (including Tippy) didn’t listen to them over Kimmer. The true message gets lost in the ugly noise.

Heidi is the true, deliberate scammer here. Every other player, to some extent, has been duped and used.

The ends do not always justify the means.
We are wading into people’s hopes and dreams and fears and very identity and self-definition. Shame on us if we trample and misuse and exploit that!
Then we are doing to them what Heidi Diaz has already done.
It is wrong to re-victimize the victims, just to make our case!

Now, they can have a go at me, if they like.

 

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