What the Duck?


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“With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility”
–Uncle Ben to Peter Parker in Spider-Man(2002)

This phrase is the Spider-Man credo, that was first used in the Marvel comics, but the one quoted above is from the Spider-Man 2 movie. The meaning conveyed in this quote has been said in various ways by many different individuals. For example:

  • “To whom much is given, much is required.” — John F. Kennedy.

  • “It is a sad reflection…that a sense of responsibility which comes with power is the rarest of things.” — Alexander Crummell

  • “The Price of Greatness is Responsibility” — Winston Churchill

  • “I believe in power; but I believe that responsibility should go with power..” — Theodore Rosevelt

Now, these were all great men of power, but you know, I think Spidey’s uncle said it best……….

With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility!

Wow, now that is really a great line! But this brings me to why, that phrase came to mind, while I was reading Kimkins Exhausted/Yucky’s or what is now known as Mimi’s blog.

Recently, a heated discussion has been on-going in the comments section of Mimi’s blog. It started between Mimi and another blogger Morgan. Now, I will not rehash that here, but I looked at Mimi’s first comments over the CASA thing, like when couples fight over the lid being left off the toothpaste- It ain’t about the toothpaste lid- However, it becomes the catalyst for the discussion that gets to the root of the cause and that was the case here too.

It was difficult to read at times, not only because of all the super, secret, groups and loops, but also because of the hurtful things being said about a person I consider a friend- Mimi. But this comment bothered me the most, because it came from a person, that I and many others admired, because of their pursuit in exposing the lies of Heidi Diaz….. This person known as Ducky.

He replied to Mimi’s comments with

Mimi: “I. Just. Don’t. Care.”

Just Ducky: “Yet, despite your self-acknowledged inability to recall what really happened with any reliable clarity, you insist on continuing to beat dead horses, denigrate individuals whom were instrumental from the beginning and play the martyr, the victim, the innocent?

Ducky strongly suggests you step back and take leave to seek some professional help. Self-righteous, self-serving, victim-mentality tantrums have no place in bringing Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) to justice.”

I find it highly irresponsible, for someone who is well regarded in this fight against kimkins, to come out and make such a hurtful statement against a person, without properly, referencing the information, or stating the facts as they occurred. Not, only that, but then to cast doubt on one’s mental ability is about as low as it gets in my opinion.

Now, we all have given our opinions on individuals involved in this kimkins saga, but it has been based on findings or presented facts, while stating our opinions. In those previous situations, such as a blog post, the reader or anti-Kimkins activist have been able to review the facts presented and interpret them in their own way.

But in this case we are not given any information- because of the excuse of -how it was all done in the secret group, therefore the reader is left with only the weight of the words by the comments left.
I think Ducky should have considered the weight of his words, because those who respected him certainly did.

Here is Ducky, who set an example in presenting the facts for us all to review, in order to reach our own conclusions about someone- like Heidi and her staff- would then *not* at least do the same for Mimi? Now, that makes me wonder why.

It couldn’t be to save Mimi any embarrassment, has some have implied, because I would have found the comment left as embarrassing- myself, so who is trying to save face in this situation and where is Spider-man when you need him?

– Don’t fret Mimi… if you think you are being held responsible for Ducky leaving, at least you can also be held responsible for bringing him back too! I know you will find the irony and humor in that, because I know I do!

Also I don’t want circumvent comments about “pot meet kettle,” or any of that BS about how I have made character statements or doubted the mental capacity of other people; because that is just missing the whole point of my post. If that is your comment then you best reference where I did that without offering the facts at hand, without screen shots, or without links and quotes as to what had formed my opinion, because the lack of any of those is what I am finding fault with here….not someone having an opinion!

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45 Responses

  1. “I find it highly irresponsible, for someone who is well regarded in this fight against kimkins, to come out and make such a hurtful statement against a person, without properly, referencing the information, or stating the facts as they occurred. Not, only that, but then to cast doubt on one’s mental ability is about as low as it gets in my opinion.”

    Especially so, when it is *quite* clear to see her ONLY motive in “breaching security” was to HELP Ducky because of a suspected leak.

    “if you think you are being held responsible for Ducky leaving, at least you can also be held responsible for bringing him back too! I know you will find the irony and humor in that, because I know I do!”

    As do I.

  2. At the risk of sounding like a Rush fan, I’ll say
    Mega -Dittos!

  3. honeybee said, “- Don’t fret Mimi… if you think you are being held responsible for Ducky leaving, at least you can also be held responsible for bringing him back too! I know you will find the irony and humor in that, because I know I do!”

    Add me to that list.
    Great post!

  4. honeybee, thanks for tellin’ it like it is. Superb post.

    ~ Medusa

  5. honeybee said, “- Don’t fret Mimi… if you think you are being held responsible for Ducky leaving, at least you can also be held responsible for bringing him back too! I know you will find the irony and humor in that, because I know I do!”

    Add me to that list too. However, if Ducky’s contribution to “the cause” is going to consist of hurtful attacks as in the comment to Mimi, I’m not sure I want Ducky to come back. Where is the objective reporting of facts that we knew and loved Ducky for?

  6. Great post, HoneyBee.

    Yes, with Great Power, comes Great Responsibility. I think we forget just how powerful the written word can be. And lest anyone say they don’t exert power over others – consider the amount of pressure that has been exerted in the attempts to control Yucky.

  7. Honeybee – Great post, as always! I have been following all of this from the beginning as I am an ex-KK’s member, and I also joined the lawsuit. I don’t know who Ducky is, but what was said to Mimi was uncalled for. Reading that almost made me think that Ducky is Heidi.

  8. Not making light of what you’ve said bluesuederebel – I SO agree with you. My mind did take an odd twist though ….

    Wouldn’t that be something? Ducky – Heidi. That would be one massive personality disorder. It would also allow Heidi to be on the winning side either way … LOL

    Heidi – outing herself … I can just see her, drinking her swill, sugar cookie sprinkles all over her chest, hunkered down over her computer, heard muttering, “Now just where DID I find that red dress picture?” …

    No wonder she melts down … 🙂

  9. Sheridan: Especially so, when it is *quite* clear to see her ONLY motive in “breaching security” was to HELP Ducky because of a suspected leak.

    Honey: Thank you Sheridan, that is a very valid point when trying to keep all this in perspective.You have always been able to hit the points and say so much in the fewest words possible. A gift I have yet to acquire. :~)
    Hey, I miss seeing your “spa lady’. I think when all this is over we all deserve a spa day!

  10. anonymous2008: At the risk of sounding like a Rush fan, I’ll say
    Mega -Dittos!

    Honey: I just had a Freudian Food slip when I first read the Mega-Dittos!
    I saw Mega-Doritos and thought; If these are the new improved even cheesier,cheesier chips, that now there will be enough dusting of “cheese chemical”, left in the bottom of the bag, to put out a small kitchen fire.:~o
    Thank you for understanding and agreeing with my view on the recent events.

  11. Hi mrsmenopausal ! 🙂
    I have to say that I also read your comments at Yucky’s blog and they really did ring so true to me. I felt great disappointment
    to when I read Ducky’s words. For the reasons that I stated above, but also because as you said in your comments how we had all anticipated Ducky coming back and seeing this thing home when the trial hit. It just reminded me of the feeling I got when Becky had her say at JM’s. I am not trying to drag that back-up but I honestly felt the same that day too.

    You are my banned buddy and we have been in this from the very beginning, so I think you understand how this really upset my idea of what Ducky stood for in this fight.

    Edit- Thank goodness the outcome in court today was a positive one at least!

  12. Medusa:honeybee, thanks for tellin’ it like it is. Superb post.

    Honeybee:Well, it was about time I weighed-in, eh…But once a procrastinating blogger, always one, I think. 😉
    Thank you for your kind words.

  13. Mariasol: Add me to that list too. However, if Ducky’s contribution to “the cause” is going to consist of hurtful attacks as in the comment to Mimi, I’m not sure I want Ducky to come back. Where is the objective reporting of facts that we knew and loved Ducky for?

    HoneyBee: Thank you for your comment and I certainly could not agree more.

  14. Prudentia: And lest anyone say they don’t exert power over others – consider the amount of pressure that has been exerted in the attempts to control Yucky.

    Honeybee: The word “control”, and more so, the word “conform” seem to fit, when I read the exchanges at Yucky’s. I think we have seen how conformity with no questions as to why one should conform is what made 500 calories a day sound realistic while a member was at Kimkins. I know I want my children to be taught to question things, to not just do them because others say to do them. Question authority. But that runs into problems because I say that but want them to listen to me no questions asked.
    Much like the dynamics that seemed to be at work when Mimi would push for answers. Sometimes we all need to realize how comfort we have become in being what everyone *wants* us to be, instead of who we truly are.

  15. bluesuederebel: Great post, as always! I have been following all of this from the beginning as I am an ex-KK’s member, and I also joined the lawsuit. I don’t know who Ducky is, but what was said to Mimi was uncalled for. Reading that almost made me think that Ducky is Heidi.

    HoneyBee: Thank you Rebel you are so very kind. I remember when you came into this KK fight and I am glad you have stuck it out too.

    I don’t know who Ducky is for sure either. But when you mentioned Heidi I thought I would share a post that Kimmer made to a member after I had tried to offer words of comfort to the KKer because she seemed so sad that everyone was leaving.

    Thispost was discussed when it first happened on the blogs and LCF. The member was Jennifer B, she and I were both banned, after this post by Kimmer. There is that snide tone of superiority that is so Kimmer too.

    Kimmer:Jennifer, I agree that your posts sound as thought you might need to talk with someone. A professional. If you work, they will have a mental health referral or EAP. If you don’t have insurance your county health department has resources with a sliding fee schedule.

    Now i don’t mean to sound harsh either, but I’m not good at this. I’m not a warm & fuzzy person. I never know what to say. But just as I’m not a doctor, I’m not a therapist. There’s a million reasons for overeating and depression is a big one. Once you get help for that, it will make everything in your life a bit easier.

    ………….Now, that is scary, huh?

  16. Honey said: “Hey, I miss seeing your “spa lady’. I think when all this is over we all deserve a spa day!”

    I do, too! I’ve had that dratted flu and been busy with projects, but decided to take a break. 😉

  17. Wow, Honey. As I was reading that, I was just thinking to myself, “Now, isn’t that scary?”

    And, hey, Prudentia, you can make light of me all you want. I just wish my scales would do the same thing!

  18. {{{{HoneyBee}}}} ok so I’m a wuss, I’m crying reading what you say here, your friendship has been such a blessing.

    And same goes for everyone here who is being so kind to me in spite of everything.

    Truly I wish I could say how deeply embarrassed (I’m forbidden from using the word “sorry” anymore for a while 🙂 losing my sense of humor, whining, ranting, mostly about things I have no proof of, and never expected anybody to even attempt to defend.

    Some of it is absolutely indefensibe, and the strain it’s put on valued friendships is just mortifying.

    Talk about responsibility — ouch — ok so I have no power (yes neglected to apply deodorant this morning, but having a powerful smell still doesn’t count at power … or, hmmm…. does it?!)

    but I do have a real responsbility, and in this case that means don’t go tearing off a rant and think it doesn’t have consequences.

    Real emotions, real people.

    {{{hugs to you all, you’re better friends than I ever expected}}}

    Wishing you all a happy holiday, and Mega Doritos!! 🙂

  19. uhm, also I wanted to say, at the risk of repeating myself yet again, that if Morgan says she doesn’t blame me for the winky/smiley thing, and the disappearance of Ducky, I have to take her word on that and just shut up about it.

    As far as the thing about her taking all the credit for everything to do with the CASA and foster care investigations, that can be read either way, so I need to just shut up about that too. It’s immature and ridiculous for me to brag or crave anybody’s approval for stuff that I did willingly and eagerly. If my doing it was motivated only by ego then I did it for the wrong reason.

    This thing about the Ducky leak — I think that’s what all my hurt and anger goes back to it.

    But what good has my whining and anger done? Not much, obviously. There are still things I don’t understand about what happened, and as it seems to have something to do with the Kimkins investigation — which it must or else why would it be so mysterious? but what is it?

    So ok I have this annoying habit of wanting to solve every mystery or stuff that seems to be a mystery but maybe isn’t?, even though it annoys the heck out of people in the process.

    uhm anyway, thank you all again for sticking your necks out for me. I’m going to try hard to remember not to ever do this again.

    See you guys next week.

  20. Honeybee said:You are my banned buddy and we have been in this from the very beginning, so I think you understand how this really upset my idea of what Ducky stood for in this fight.

    I think I do understand. I really thought that someone had pretended to be Ducky, especially when no one addressed the comment (like is done when people come in pretending to be Heidi) until it was confirmed it truly was Ducky. Prudentia was right when she said sharp intake of breath (paraphrasing). I’d really looked forward to Ducky’s return.I’d actually been starting to wonder if maybe something had happened to him/her. I guess I built up an image of that person(s) and that’s my doing but what a disappointment.

  21. Would it be safe to say this is a time when ignorance is bliss? After all, I live in the land of the village idiots and know nothing of secret groups. The whole thing has me completely confused, and maybe I’m lucky to be so. Now I know why people were talking about Ducky coming/being back. Who the duck is Ducky anyway? The village idiots would like to know.

    edited- 🙂

  22. And maybe Ducky knows more about this than anyone else here does and is simply choosing to not call anyone out and cause humiliation? hmmmm……

    How can ducky have taken such a fall in everyone’s eyes for having an opinion based on facts that she/or he knows? When has ducky ever played coy?

  23. This is copied from the very first post by Ducky (at the time he had the duckyopines blog):
    “With growing popularity, comes decisions and responsibilities, which with one wrong move, can quickly end all you’ve built. The internet is like sand, nothing is guaranteed, and for success that continues in the long-term, one must be conscious of the fragile nature of the online experience.”

    How ironic.

  24. Curious says: “maybe Ducky knows more about this than anyone else here does and is simply choosing to not call anyone out and cause humiliation?”

    HoneyBee: But who would be being saved from humiliation in the situation? That is why I said in my post- It couldn’t be to save Mimi any embarrassment, has some have implied, because I would have found the comment left as embarrassing- myself, so who is trying to save face in this situation…[..]…
    Could it be to save Mimi humiliation?- Well, certainly not because I think saying Mimi you are mistaken of the facts here they are….would be less humiliation than what Ducky did say with his post to Mimi here- “seek some professional help. Self-righteous, self-serving, victim-mentality tantrums have no place in bringing Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) to justice.”
    I find that humiliating in itself.

    If he was trying to save anyone else from humiliation by not stating the facts then he should have just kept quiet, in my opinion. But he didn’t and his posting without adding to the discussion with facts is not the way Ducky has done things in the past, even for Heidi or her staff.
    In fact I think if you go back and read in Ducky’s blog the “about us” section it even states that they are about presenting the facts for the reader to decide how they felt or something to that effect- THAT is what I have always admired about Ducky. He was about presenting facts and having links to information for the reader to reach their own conclusions. So for me the fall from grace is because of the reason I stated- If he had the facts he has always shared them in the past, never his opinion without facts to back it up.
    I think that combined with the fact that he had suddenly disappeared, with no word to the readers. who have always supported him, even after he was gone for 5 months, we still spoke so highly of his past work.
    Now, even though many of us were confused as to why he left we were looking for his return. So to suddenly return with no word as to why, which I think we should have gotten more than “busy” to start off with, was a let down.
    Then to make a harsh comment without stating the facts to back it up is not only insulting to Mimi, but to the devoted readers of his blog.

  25. Mariasol, Wow! That is a great find and is more in keeping with the Ducky we knew of in the past.
    I think his comment of -“With growing popularity, comes decisions and responsibilities”

    Is in keeping with what I was trying to convey in my post-
    “With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility”

    I think the Ducky I admired and held in high regard, recognized and knew that, so why the change?

    Thank you for adding that Mariasol. You posted that as I was doing my long winded reply to Curious.
    But your quote sums it up perfectly. 🙂

  26. MagicsMom- I haven’t seen anything confirming who Ducky is for sure.
    I know Barb has some guesses on her blog, based on some bits that point to a person who goes by the screen name “RightNow”. I know that I have thought that RightNow could be Just Ducky before, but again that was just my opinion based on a few words they shared in their writing as well as the fact that RightNow is a very gifted writer.

    But I also have thought that it was more than one person because the writing style seemed to change, especially towards the end. However, that could have been due to more things being brought forward by other bloggers and members of LCF.
    MagicsMom, when it comes to who Ducky is, I think we all are village idiots, except for a few people who know the answer for sure. 🙂
    Thanks for stopping by and leaving your comments!

    ETA- The person with the screen name Rightnow has posted in Medusa’s comments and she is not Ducky. So it seems that when it comes to who Ducky actually is, only a few people know and they aren’t saying.

  27. it seems to me mimi embarassed herself with her childish outburst towards morgan followed by a complete 3 ring circus act of backpedaling

    every time morgan cleared the air in one area mimi brought up a whole new reason to be outraged upset hurt victimized picked on and on and on and on

    looks like a desperate cry for help attention validation? any or all of the above.

    that does seem rather sad and smacks of a cry for help.

    so ducky offered some

    mimi stated herself she cant remember how anything happens, then flies into an outrage when someone shares how it happened.

    mimi gets rather paranoic about being looked at too seriously but wants to be taken seriously when she wants to

    mimi rages and lashes out at everyone else who doesnt give her the credit she thinks she is due then mocks the trust that other people gave her

    and all this seems normal? to a group of rational adults? normal health okay?

    seriously this is some true kimmeresque behavior and i think weve all agreed she needs help

  28. “Could it be to save Mimi humiliation?- Well, certainly not because I think saying Mimi you are mistaken of the facts here they are….would be less humiliation than what Ducky did say with his post to Mimi here- “seek some professional help. Self-righteous, self-serving, victim-mentality tantrums have no place in bringing Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) to justice.”
    I find that humiliating in itself. ”

    maybe as embarassing as morgan felt when she found herself having to defend her good name against someone railing out of control at her in a very public way

    maybe as humiliating as the people that trusted her to actually keep a secret felt

    maybe as embarassing as it is for a group of hard working people that dont NEED their name out in lights to feel worthy to realize that they put their trust in someone who will not only publicly out them for attention and pats on the back but will sit back and watch them be trashed when she knows what the intentions were

    maybe as embarassed as mimi should be just from reading her own tirades against every one that doesnt think shes just the ducks quack

  29. Curious says “mimi stated herself she cant remember how anything happens”

    No, please if you’re going to scold me for being inaccurate, you’ll need to be accurate, ok?

    I don’t recall ever stating that I “can’t remember how ANYTHING happens.”

    I believe that I do remember quite a lot of how things happened.

    OK? It takes me some time and back-and-forthing, things come up that help me remember, and i”m still kicking myself for deleting all the BoJ stuff. Never figured on needing to reread any that. Especially the comments & emails to and from Ducky (and, I’m told, to the blogger formerly known as Truth, which I’d totally forgotten about).

    I’ve tried to apologize to Morgan for ranting and for embarrassing her. Am doing my best to change my behaviors and attitudes, and to let go of past hurts and angers.

    Now let’s talk about what you say here about my revealing the name of the group — exactly how is that “humiliating”? It’s a cool name. What’s the big deal? I don’t understand it and still don’t — how could knowing the name cause humiliation to anyone in the group?

    But maybe you’re not talking about that. Maybe you mean something else I said caused the humiliation?

    If so, what?

    What exactly did I say that caused humiliation to the group?

    From what I’ve been able to gather, my contacting Ducky is what caused the humiliation — I’ve asked several times but there’s been no explanation as to WHY my contacting Ducky would have caused humiliation to a group Ducky already knew about.

    It seems to me that the proof that Ducky knew about the group was that he/she linked his/her private email loop to the group.

    How could he/she have linked to a group if he/she didn’t know the group existed?

    Please answer these questions.

    Thanks. oh hey, and so you’ve “all agreed” that I need “help”? wow. I had no idea you were all qualified mental health professionals and were available for free consulation, diagnosis & recommendation. Cool!

  30. “the blogger formerly known as Truth” ???

    I’m still here. What have I done to you? Why must you attack me. I have always assumed we are on the same side. Pardon my loyalty to the Duck and others who’s intentions I knew to be pure. I’m sure I deserve your sarcasm for that though.

    I make no comment on what has been said to you Mimi, but based on your unexplained attitude towards me, I am disinclined to likewise defend you.

  31. It seems to me that the proof that Ducky knew about the group was that he/she linked his/her private email loop to the group.

    How could he/she have linked to a group if he/she didn’t know the group existed?

    You’re a total fool – Ducky did NOT link to the group. Once again, you have a false memories, created as a self-defense mechanism. Give it up MeeMee!

  32. “Now let’s talk about what you say here about my revealing the name of the group — exactly how is that “humiliating”? ”

    what would be humiliating is that the people who invited you to be a part of their group completely misjudged your ability to honor your promise. misjudged you for the better.

    its embarassing to put your trust into someone only to have that trust broken and mocked. and publicly at that.

    it seems like all the other things may have been sincere mistakes on your part. but you purposefully and willfully divulged a name you were asked not to. why. what did you get from that.

    maybe the name of the group, the existence of the group and so forth was no big deal to you, but it must have been to the people that asked you to keep it private. its not about you not understanding why but about you honoring your word. no matter what.

    thats where it becomes humiliating to those who believed in you, because it shows how wrong they were. if its that secret they must have thought quite highly of you to ask you to join.

    it causes you to cast yourself in a bad light. someone who is unwilling to keep a promise. to keep a confidence. and for what.

    you say you are fighting the same fight, then spend time hurting others in that fight. why.

    maybe ducky was a little rough on you. but maybe ducky was trying to call your attention to your own actions. nothing else seemed to be working.

  33. Betrayal of trust MeeMee. Betrayal of trust.

    You do not see the value of keeping your word, even when later you find yourself no longer wishing to keep your word. Doing that is integrity.

    You do not see the value of maintaining the confidentiality of those within the group. Right now it’s Morgan under attack for perceived injustices toward you. Who is next? Who next will be atop your shit-list to be verbally assaulted on your blog or in comments on other blogs? Maintainig confidentiality is honorable when doing so does not cause harm; this is something you’ve failed to do. When you breached the confidentiality of the entire group, you did it not because it was the right thing for the lawsuit or bringing Kimmer to justice. You did it only because you wanted to, with no compelling reason, without honor.

  34. maybe ducky was a little rough on you. but maybe ducky was trying to call your attention to your own actions. nothing else seemed to be working.

    Heck, I thiink Ducky was pretty darn restrained in his response, given MeeMee’s lack of integrity and unwillingness to listen to reason.

  35. I’m a lousy excuse for a human being and deserve the hissing and booing of all.

    Got it.

    What else can I say. I’ve said I’m sorry. But that’s meaningless obviously because I haven’t said it in a way you prefer, or I haven’t said it at the right time about the right thing, and I haven’t, I don’t know, whatever, but for some myriad of reasons, my being sorry and saying I’m sorry is not good enough and will go on not being good enough.

    And that’s fine.

    You guys have every right to go on being upset and believing what you believe and feeling what you feel.

    I, also, have that same right.

    Yes?

    I accept the fact that you don’t agree with me about a bunch of stuff, and I hope you can accept the fact that I don’t agree with you about a bunch of stuff either.

    By the way — and this is to the blogger formerly known as Truth — I posted an apology to you over at Ducky’s blog last night or this morning — it was rude of me, and terribly unkind, to express myself with such harsh words.

    As I said, I was upset that you blew the inside access to Heidi’s pm system. That’s all. But as I also said, I would probably have done the same thing. Probably for some of the same reasons and probably also for some different reasons. So I need to try to stop being so pissed off at you about that. Again, I’m sorry for expressing my feelings and opinions in such unkind language. You had such a cool blog and I really enjoyed reading it.

  36. Oh, also I think I was upset at you because you were unkind to HB about something a while back. For being upset at you about that, no I don’t apologize — unlike me, HB has done nothing to deserve any unkindness nor criticism.

    Perhaps that wasn’t really you, but was simply someone pretending to be you?

  37. Quackers says “Ducky did NOT link to the group.”

    ?! Ok maybe you guys have already explained that elsewhere and it totally went over my head, but I’m telling you this is the first time I have read this. Yes I need to slow down and really READ stuff including all the comments at the Yucky blog and elsewhere about this.

    So maybe I’ve just missed it, and I’m asking for your patience in explaining it ok?

    What do you mean “Ducky did not link to the group.”?

    Here’s what I remember, and you’re saying I remember incorrectly, so please state how you remember it, ok? What I remember is, that at some point, it was announced in the BoJ that Ducky had decided to link his private email loop somehow to the BoJ group.

    If that’s not correct, fine, but I’m say, this is what I remember. I don’t know what it means to link a loop to a group. Ok? But this is what I remember, or at least what I truly believe I remember.

    Thinking … ok, anyway, so at some point in time, it was announced in the BoJ that Ducky was opening his private email loop to the group, whatever that means or however it’s supposed to be phrased.

    The announcement in the BoJ was that anyone who wanted to could participate in Ducky’s loop, or maybe the group could select a groop of representatives or something, to participate.

    I don’t recall the details or understand the technicalities, and I’ve stated that already. The gist of it was that Ducky had extended the invitation to the BoJ group, to be privy to his private email loop, for the purposes, I assume, of sharing information about the ongoing investigation.

    Ok? If this is NOT what happened then I’d appreciate some factual information as to what DID happen. This is just my memory of what happened.

    So anyway, once that link or connection or whatever, was agreed upon, and some of the people in the BoJ became privy to Ducky’s private email loop, someone in the BoJ — and I thought it was Morgan but maybe that’s incorrect, maybe it was somebody else — at any rate, it was a member of the BoJ.

    IN the BoJ forums, that person began posting, for all BoJ group members to read and discuss, stuff that had been posted in Ducky’s private email loop.

    As I’ve said before, there was some discomfort, or awkward feeling, about that stuff being posted.

    But then an assurance was posted from the person, saying to the effect that “Ducky won’t mind” or “Ducky’s ok with it”, or something like that.

    Like I’ve said before, going back to the invitation that Ducky extended to the BoJ group, how could she have extended that invitation if she didn’t know the BoJ group existed?

    I’ve tried and tried to find the logic. I’m not a logical person, that’s obvious, and so I value logic — I have this unreasonable expectation that other people are logical and that there’s a logical explanation for absolutely everything.

    So now you say “Ducky did not link to the group.”

    ??? Are you saying that I’m using the incorrect technical term?

    Or are you saying that Ducky didn’t extend that invitation to the group?

    Or what?

    Because it’s entirely possible that I’m using the incorrect technical term.

    But it is NOT possible that Ducky didn’t extend that invitation to the group.

    Unless somebody in the group was lying about that invitation.

    hang on just a minute … are you saying that the whole thing about Ducky’s opening his private email loop up to the BoJ group or certain members of the BoJ group, are you saying that somebody in the group just made that up?

    Or what?

    Just the facts please. I’m trying to sort this thing out, and trying to refrain from expressing myself so sarcastically. So I hope you’ll do the same, but if not, that’s fine, I’ve certainly dished enough of it out and need to be willing to take it.

  38. Quackers, I’ve said it before and now I’ll say it again…you’re an ass.

  39. But it is NOT possible that Ducky didn’t extend that invitation to the group.

    MeeMee, you were part of the group you claim was extended an invitation to ducky’s email loop.

    If an invitation was indeed extended to the group, where was your invite?

    Why did you have no access to ducky’s email loop/group if this were true? Why were you left with no communication with ducky (or theTRUTH) other than their comments section?

    Oh, that’s right, you were not invited!

    Have you ever wondered why an invitation to ducky’s email loop was not extended to include you?

  40. Quackers says “MeeMee, you were part of the group you claim was extended an invitation to ducky’s email loop.

    If an invitation was indeed extended to the group, where was your invite?

    Why did you have no access to ducky’s email loop/group if this were true? Why were you left with no communication with ducky (or theTRUTH) other than their comments section?

    Oh, that’s right, you were not invited!

    Have you ever wondered why an invitation to ducky’s email loop was not extended to include you?”

    Here’s what I know, or believe I know — in the BoJ group, there was made an announcement, by someone, that Ducky intended to link his private email loop to the BoJ group, or was opening his email loop to the BoJ members, or something to that effect — the gist of it was, the members of the Boj were being invited to participate or be privy to Ducky’s email loop.

    The announcement was that it was open to any member of the BoJ.

    It was a “public” announcement, out in the forums there at the BoJ, and various members then discussed who was interested in taking Ducky up on his offer, who wasn’t interested, and why, etc etc etc.

    Some people seemed eager to sign up or whatever was required. Some people, including myself, “bowed out” — I don’t remember what other people gave as reasons they weren’t going to participate, aside from “overcrowding”, but for me personally my feeling was that I had all I could handle already, with both offline and online projects/activities.

    Also, I didn’t want to get deeper into the whole thing — it was already confusing/busy/hectic trying to keep up with everything I already had “on my plate” so to speak.

    It just wasn’t something I felt comfortable jumping into right then.

    If there were individual, private invitations sent out to people, I don’t know about that. All I know about is the “public” invitation that was announced out in the forums of the BoJ. Some members accepted and some declined. I was one of the ones who declined.

    And that’s all I know about that.

  41. Quackers says “When you breached the confidentiality of the entire group, you did it not because it was the right thing for the lawsuit or bringing Kimmer to justice. You did it only because you wanted to, with no compelling reason, without honor.”

    I think we already covered this … repeatedly 🙂 And may I ask you, when YOU did all the things YOU did, did you do ALL those things because it was the right thing for the lawsuit or bringing Kimmer to justice?

    Has there never been anything you did that you did only because you wanted to, with no “compelling reason, without honor” ?

    Or have you really, in your life, or even in your entire online existence, have you really be so perfectly perfect, so unfailingly saintly?

    Have you really been without fault, in all your dealings, and have you never, ever, done anything for any of the reasons you feel I’ve done things?

    Maybe you really are The Holy One, the Messiah of the antiKimkins movement? Do you abide by your own commandments? Is each and everything you do and say and post online, in blogs, comments, threads, boards, emails, pm’s, is each and everything you’ve said and done “because it was the right thing for the lawsuit or bringing Kimmer to justice”?

    Or are you, rather, an ordinary human being, who sometimes is badbad, or stupid, or rude, or snarky? Are you sometimes hypocritical and more concerned with your own self-interest than with the Greater Good?

  42. Wondering who Quackers is. Correct though that there was no invite. What else do we know?

  43. No idea who Quackers is. What do you mean, “there was no invite”?

    There was an invite or an announcement re the invite or an announcement to the effect that Ducky was opening his private email loop to the BoJ group.

  44. Curious says “what would be humiliating is that the people who invited you to be a part of their group completely misjudged your ability to honor your promise. misjudged you for the better. ”

    Mimi/Yuckys says:
    I’m trying really hard to understand here, ok? Now first of all, what I was told was that my contacting Ducky about Morgan’s concerns about a possible leak, that THAT was what was so humiliating to the group.

    But now YOU are saying that what was so humilating to the group was that they had unwisely chosen me to be in the group?

    I’m really not sure how that would be “humiliating.”

    Annoying, sure. Frustrating, exasperating whatever. But it was no reflection on the the group, so how could it be “humiliating.”

    Now please explain what you mean about my “inability to honor my promise.”

    I’m not sure it was inability. It was unwillingness. I’ve explained that as time went by, I became unwilling to play along with the IMO silliness about The Secret Name.

    Ok?

    Now, you talk here about a “promise.” I’ve tried to explain that it was to me in the group the way it is in any group — the general caveat that what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

    That sort of thing. I never was asked, nor did I comply, with some sort of taking some sort of vow, swearing to some oath of loyalty, signing some sort of contract. If you were in the group you know darn well what I mean — the whole secrecy thing was nothing more nor less than “what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas” because we didn’t want Heidi to find out in advance stuff that we were looking into or reporting to the state and federal agencies.

    That is ALL. Now maybe YOUR experience with the whole “super secret promise” in the group was different, but this was MY experience.

    Got it? MY. personal. experience.

    And I’ve been thinking, about why it was something I obviously didn’t take seriously.

    And by that I mean, yes I took seriously the whole thing about sitting on work in progress in order to keep from alerting Heidi.

    If you could show any time that I dishonored that “promise” by revealing ANY important information, you would have done so by now.

    The fact that you haven’t, indicates to me that you know, and everyone else in the group knows, that I NEVER revealed any information about anything to do with the state or federal investigation.

    Am I wrong? If I am, I expect you to show me where I’m wrong. Show me where I revealed secret informaiton about ongoing investigations and tipped Heidi off and somehow ruined the investigation, ruined the lawsuit, and threw such a gigantic monkey wrench into the legal system that Heidi is going to get off scot-free.

    Show me.

    Now, back to this whole “you took a blood oath of confidentiality and you broke that oath and you have no honor, you evil stupid bitch.”

    You know it wasn’t like that. But since you guys seem intent to go on and on pretending it was like that, I’ve decided to reveal something that maybe nobody NOT in the group knows about.

    It might help to explain — at least, it helps me to understand myself — why I didn’t take the whole secrecy thing too seriously.

    When I first was invited to join the group, and I registered, and logged in, and went to the main area, what I encountered could only be described as a party atmosphere.

    It was fun, it was silly, it was like a party. Jokes about super heroes. Jokes about what sort of costume everybody was wearing. The tights, what color everybody’s tights were. Babes of Justice. Different colored tights. Party, party.

    Just silly stuff. It was fun, it was informal, everybody seemed nice and just kicking back, having a good time.

    Not exactly what I had expected from a superduper secret crime fighting organization.

    Not exactly what anybody would have expected, especialy after reading so much recent ranting about how I have no honor because I spoke The Name That Shall Not Be Named.

    This was MY personal experience in first logging into the group.

    This was what I remember. Maybe it’s not what YOU remember, and maybe you had a completely different experience, if you were in the group.

    But don’t presume to sit there and tell me what MY experience was, or what promise I broke, or how I humiliated the group or betrayed the group because all I did was not take the whole Name thing seriously.

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