Getting At The Heart Of The Matter- Kimkins Cardio Risks.

There have been some changes going on over at kimkin’s homepage, these began right before the court matters earlier in the week. Heidi Diaz, the Kimmer, is no longer on the frontpage doing her diet challenge for everyone to view. I believe one reason she decided to remove her pictures was the fact that they appeared to have been manipulated with photoshop, and why would this be done? Well, one explanation could be that it was necessary in order to shave off the pounds that Kimmer is claiming to have lost….yet again! The other reason she may have stepped down is the fact that she had a perfect member to take her place and that is the purpose of my post today, new showcased member- Laurala

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This new showcased member is one who actually lost weight and looks great. My first reaction when seeing the member Laurala on the frontpage was what a beautiful person, who must be so proud of their weight loss. The member was a new name to me, so I had to research who was this person who magically appeared on the homepage. I mean after the Russian Brides, let’s just say believing a success story doesn’t come easily to me.

But what I found was much worse than a Russian bride filling in as a fake member. I found a real member, whose posts made me very concerned for her well-being.

Laurala’s post are full of enthusiasm for life and support of the other KK members. Her words gave me the impression that she is truly a kind person and one that has faced many recent challenges in her life. As I read more I truly became concerned for the member, so I posted the following at LCF to see if others had some feedback or maybe someone who knew her could reach the member and verify the situation.

My Post-

….What came as a huge, I mean huge shock to me, was the posts I read about the new member on the front page. The member looks wonder and I think she truly has lost the weight. She appears to be a real success in losing the weight. However, I was distressed when I read that the member had started KK on 1-25-07 and 6 months later became ill in August of that year.

She was having breathing difficulties and thought she had asthma, but then ended up in the hospital.
The diagnosis- CHF -CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE!

She posted about this diagnosis on 8-23-07 or so and then was gone from kimkins. She returned in 12-27-07 and started back posting about doing kimkins. Her plan was to do bootcamp for a week, K/E for a week and then get right back into Kimkins. She is doing KK with exercising/weight lifting and to say the least I am deeply concerned that she is doing more harm to her already struggling heart.” Why the fascination with Kimmer? #14 – Page 36 – Low Carb Friends

So now you can understand why I was deeply concerned for the KK member. The negative health side-effects, that can result from doing a very low calorie diet (vLCD), have been discussed on the blogs and forums, but the fact that the patient was diagnosed with Congestive Heart Failure after being on Kimkins for 6 months alarmed me. But then to read she came back…well, my by jaw hit the floor! WTH?

A person with a perfect heart and no history of CHF, is risking their heart health by doing a vLCD like Kimkins, but then factor in the difficulties when dealing with CHF and a precarious situation begins to emerge.

A diet that is classified as a very low calorie diet (<800 calories a day) can damage the heart or cause cardiac problems due to some of the following reasons:

  • A breakdown of the heart muscle occurs, if the calories of a diet are too low or the protein is not adequate to cover the energy expenditure of the body.
  • Electrolyte problems can emerge in those who drastically reduce calories and then have “refeed days” or increase their calorie intake quickly.
  • The QT wave of the heart can also become altered based on electrolyte imbalance and that will result in arrhythmias

Those risks do not even take into account the difficult time CHF patients have regulating their electrolytes in general. Doing Kimkins- as a congestive heart failure patient- is like throwing gasoline on a fire. Things can get out of hand, FAST!

An article in the CMAJ describes the risks to the heart while on a vLCD-

The heart is not spared in malnutrition. The decrease in cardiac output in the starved patient is matched by various compensatory mechanisms such that cardiac failure is unusual. With refeeding, reversal of these mechanisms occurs and congestive heart failure may be precipitated before the reversal of myocardial atrophy, even in the absence of other cardiac disease.
The malnourished patient is at increased risk during major surgery, and preoperative nutritional therapy may be indicated.
Chronic cardiac failure often results in a malnourished state and, hence, relative myocardial atrophy.
Cardiac cachexia and associated cardiac dysfunction may be improved with better nutrition.

Rapid weight loss and malnutrition may also be associated with a syndrome of myocardialatrophy, a prolonged QT interval, ventricular arrhythmias and sudden death. Both protein-calorie malnutrition and refeeding have significant implications for the heart.

As I said earlier during refeedings, following a vLCD or following starvation, there is a risk that the process can precipitate cardiac failure and congestive heart failure . This occurrence and mechanism is discussed in the article Malnutrition and the heart- CMAJ-JAMC

Although congestive cardiac failure is rare in malnutrition, it is common during refeeding of the starved patient. “Refeeding edema” and cardiac failure are well known with oral refeeding of severely malnourished patients……[….]……

Starvation is associated with a fall in heart rate, blood pressure and blood volume; however, refeeding is associated with a sudden reversal of these compensatory factors. Further, since severe malnutrition may result in interstitial myocardial edema, cardiac compliance may decrease. The malnourished patient may not cope well with increased salt, water and energy loads. Carbohydrate and fat are potent stimuli for the release of catecholamines and activation of the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone axis.
This further increases blood volume and pressure. Energy intake reverses the natriuresis of the fasting state. Furthermore, catecholamines augment the shift ofpotassium, magnesium and phosphate into cells, with potentially deleterious effects on cardiac function and rhythm.

Below are 17 cases of death in a group of individuals who died suddenly, due to cardiac changes, following a vLCD.

While reviewing the study, it is important to keep in mind the points surrounding the individuals that did die: The median age was 35 years old, they had been on the diet from 2 to 8 months, had lost a substantial amount of weight (86lbs), that was stated to be at a rapid rate which computed to 4.6 pounds a week. The level of physician monitoring range from very thorough to infrequent and 11 of the17 were not taking any other medications- besides vitamins/supplements for the diet.
It appears that the rate of weight loss in those patients who died suddenly is comparable to the fast weight loss noted by kimkins members and so was the low calorie level in these cases approximately 300 to 400 calories a day. The patients in the study also took a prenatal vitamin daily, potassium in different dosages, and some also took calcium supplements.

The take away point is that, these people who died, were in better nutritional and monitoring situations, than the average kimkins dieter.

 

The following are 17 cases of death in a group of individuals who died suddenly, due to cardiac changes, following a vLCD .-Sudden death associated with very low calorie weight reduction regimens

ABSTRACT We studied the cases of 17 individuals who died suddenly of ventricular arrhythmia after prolonged use (median 5 months) of very low calorie weight reduction regimens consisting entirely or largely of protein. The deaths appeared to be independent of type of medical supervision received during the diet, daily dosage of potassium supplementation, and biological quality of the protein product used. Factors common to all cases were marked obesity at the onset of dieting,prolonged use of extremely low calorie diets (approximately 300 to 400 kcal daily), and significant and rapid weight loss. Our review of available electrocardiograms and pathological specimens revealed a pattern of cardiac changes previously described in starvation. We conclude that use of very low calorie weight reduction regimens should be curtailed until further studies determine what modifications, if any, can insure their safety. Am. J. Cliii. Nutr. 34: 453-461, 1981.

Now, to relate that to a person following a very low calorie diet, like Kimkins, we should consider one example of how damage to the heart could occur. One way could be following “refeedings” scenarios.

We can use a hypothetical situation, let’s say a KK member-“Cardia” has been doing the kimkins bootcamp plan for 2 weeks (which is less than 800 calories), then go into doing K/E with a decreased appetite, due to ketosis. They do K/E for 4 weeks, but weight loss stalls so back to bootcamp to kick the weight loss up a notch. At this point the member has been consuming less than 800 calories/day for 6 weeks. “Cardia” makes it through bootcamp for 2 more weeks, but finds her resolve is waning or as Kimmer would say, “they are not tough enough” to stick with the program. The weekend approaches and the member decides a cheat will not hurt, so she has the pasta with the family and dessert. The cheat ends up being an off kimkins weekend, but the stress of trying to move into a new house, made following the diet impossible. Then while picking up boxes and walking up a set of stairs “Cardia” notices she can hardly catch their breath. She decides to rest, since she must be overdoing it too much and on the verge of a cold or something. I mean who would have thought it was your body telling you that you are destroying your heart. The odd fluttering in her chest stops and it only happens once in awhile anyway.

A few days pass and Cardia continues to have some labored breathing, so she decides to go visit the family physician. Here she fails to mention that she is doing the Kimkins diet, because the physician never asks about her nutrition. Although, the check-in nurse mentions the weight loss when weighing her and comments by saying “good job, how are you doing it”? Cardia only says, “With Kimkins, a low carb diet”, but nothing else is said about the diet. The patient is told they may be reacting to an allergen from their new home, because she has had a runny nose and has had a history of seasonal allergies. She is told to increase her fluids, her antihistamine is changed and a nasal spray is added to her medications. After a couple of days of rest, the kk member is still feeling weak, but decides it is the allergies still bringing her down. She is determined to push through this and not let a little setback throw her off track. She will not give into her body just wanting her to go back to her bad habits, and that is probably why she even got sick, she thinks to herself, now remembering her weakness and giving in to the temptation of food that weekend. She becomes upset and reminds herself, that she just has to succeed this time. They are having that big house warming party in a month and she is going to fit into that little black dress!

She is determined to stick it out! She has changed her WOE and doesn’t want to go back to her old eating habits. Kimkins is helping her lose weight and she decides she is in control now. She will not stop kimkins if she has anything to do with it…..but the problem is she is right or at least partly right. She also gets to wear that black dress, it isn’t to the house warming party as she had planned, but everyone commented on how wonderful she looked as they bid their final farewell.

The above was a hypothetical situation but it doesn’t change the risks involved with the kimkins diet. Laurla, I hope you will take the time to read the concerns that others have for you and research the cardio risks involved with a vLCD. I do understand that you are under doctor’s care, but if you are truly following Kimkins, then I must urge you to take in an exact menu of what you eat, so an evaluation on your actual diet can be made. I do wish you the best in your journey.

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Award Ceremony To Be Scheduled Soon!

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In my last post I noted the award that should be bestowed upon Heidi Diaz, the Kimmer, who is the founder of the kimkins diet and it appears that the case ceremony will be heard held in front of “your honor” in honor of Heidi Diaz. The sentencing ceremony may be long, but mug shots pictures will be immediately following the event.
It would be outstanding if Woman’s World would decide to cover the event and back story on how Heidi Diaz, the Kimmer, earned this award.
But there will be more coverage on this case ceremony. So check out the Riverside Court House documents and the other blogs on my blogroll.

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The Fight Against Kimmer and Kimkins Needs You!

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Many of us have been discussing how do we achieve our final goal of getting Kimkins.com to become an error page? How do we get more people to file out the forms, write the letters and get involved.

The pending class action lawsuit is a tremendous step in the right direction but will it get us to that final destination of a 404 Error page when a person tries to log into the kimkins website? If everyone would take a moment and review the steps needed to file a complaint:

 

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The Morning Show With Mike and Juliet Discuss the Kimkins Diet but They Don’t Warn You About “Banned Camp”!

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The New Year always brings resolutions and for many this resolution usually contains the desire to lose weight, but at what cost? Not only the cost to one’s wallet but also the cost of one’s health. The FOX Morning Show with Mike and Juliet are re-airing a live show that focused on the fraudulent acts of Kimkins.com and the owner Heidi Diaz.
An internet search of Kimkins will now turn up many of the negative health effects of doing Kimkins .The blog of Kimkins Survivors shares over 100 stories of ex-kimkin members who suffered ill effects from following the WOE that Kimmer promotes on her site. But something that is not discussed as much is the banning of members with no refunds.

This point has not been talked about as often, because to many, this was not the biggest problem. I mean you can always earn another $60.oo bucks, but who is going to give you a new thyroid or heart? So the priorities have of course been – “Let’s spread the word of the health risks of doing Kimkins”, not the financial risks. But I thought now was a good time to focus on the other risk of Kimkins…………………… The dreaded Banned Camp!

Kimmer and her admins took it upon themselves to ban members at their leisure and randomly. Some even based on their avatars! No, not a joke. If you are thinking surely this gal is fibbing. Well, first I would say- You would have to be a southern to say the word fibbing. Second, I would say, NO I am telling you the truth. In fact- I will just let the words of the owner, Kimmer and her admins, demonstrate my point.

The following are quotes from the blog The TRUTH, who posted private messages that were routed to him/her by an inside source. Visit their blog for the full inside look but here are some of the quoted pm’s of the Kimkins staff.

From the owner of Kimkins-

Kimmer Wrote:

As you’ve probably read in forums I don’t like negativity threads. Not that there’s anything wrong with venting, but their tone spreads quickly and distracts from the work we’re doing here

From the PR director of Kimkins-

Tippy Toes Wrote:

Re:Handling Forum Posts/Questions
I agree. The time we are spending hunting out the nay sayers is time we could have spent helping people. If any of you admins see negative posting, by all means delete it even if you have to delete the entire thread. And report the person who posted the offense to Kimmer right away, please. We are going to start banning with no refund. Because we are a paid site, I doubt too many will pay $ to come back just to cause trouble. Thanks again, everyone. This too shall pass…

Some of the members that were being banned were longtime members and had not signed up to “cause trouble”. The members being banned were looking for help losing weight just like many people and paid good money for their “lifetime membership”! They were then banned with no warning and no support system to continue to help in their weight loss journey. Their consumer rights were violated. My consumer rights were violated!

From an admin in the same chain of pm’s from above-

SingingLass Wrote:

Something I felt i should make a note on…..is we should pay attention to questions in certain areas right now. Primarily questions in the fields the other sites are trying to claim as a negative of this plan right now…..such as calories, laxitives, children and the like. I do read the other stuff occassionally, I am not affected by it, but like to just keep tabs a bit on what is going on.

So now the admin is suggesting banning based on a members words on another site! That is right folks- For the low price of $59.95 you can have spybots put on your computer and have the admin monitor your postings on the internet. Then they will ban you based on your posting habits elsewhere. See how easy you can become a member of the Banned Camp too?!?!?

Kimmer Wrote:

Wanted to update you on the “ban” function. Thankfully we’ve only had a couple instances.
Tech guys modified “ban” so it’s only a ban from forums, chat & PMs. They still have full access to the rest of the paid site including diet, food plans, grocery list, sample menus, recipe box & How ….. Does ….When placing the ban enter the date as “2025” for the year. Previously I was told 2099 and that’s rejected. Make the public note: TOS violation, make the private note whatever occurred and also let me know

Wow, they were banning so many members they had to update and modify the banning function. It would be funny if it wasn’t a sad fact, that Heidi Diaz/Kimmer made over 1.2 milllion dollars in her paypal account in one month alone, off the members she is now discussing and banning. This figure is based on the recent deposition documents that were released. Oh, that is right I haven’t mentioned the pending class action lawsuit in this post. If you haven’t joined the Kimkins lawsuit and were a member of Kimkins please sign-up.

So she took their money and then banned them. She even was trying to get around the legal aspect of what whether she was “banning” members by allowing access to a page showing the diet and grocery list. Anyone dieting knows that you learn the diet and how to do it after the first few weeks. It is the support you get from others that makes a difference and Kimmer, along with her minions, were snatching that away from the members faster than you can say SNATT!

SingingLass Wrote:

This is another one of those shady member situations…there is no direct Tos violation or proof of going on the other board, but every single post she has made has been suspicious and snarky/challenging in some wierd way. […..]..

Kimmer wrote:

I think I will temporarily ban her “accidentally”. It’s not the posts I’m worried about, it’s the PMs she might be sending. More dissention. Let me know about Honeybee too. I’ve noticed she’s on the edge.

SingingLass wrote:

:: nod nod:: I already am watching honeybee, trying to decide what the situation is there…….[………]…….Sometimes it just is not a black and white case though, thus why i make sure to run these situations by you first before getting trigger happy.

Kimmer wrote:

I’m naturally suspicious of anyone with a “duck” avatar.

Now you know how anyone can easily become a member of banned camp at Kimkins.com I hope that you also will still remember the health risks associated with this diet too.

Don’t risk your life or your wallet on the Kimkins diet!


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The Facts of Life in the Kimkins Saga- You Take the Good You Take the Bad!

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Where is a Mrs. Garrett when she is needed?
Wow, who knew so many words of wisdom were packed into this 80’s tv theme song?!?!?
The song says:

You take the good you take the bad
you take them both and there you have
the facts of life

Maybe I was the only one allowed to watch sitcom tv or at least took away a life lesson from something besides an after school special. But life gives you good and bad situations, it will give you good and bad google searches, good and bad posts, and then good and bad days too.

It appears that some people only want to take the good that they can get from the LCF members, a.k.a- the redheaded stepchildren, but they can’t accept that there may be some bad that comes up along the way too.
Not all research will yield additional information and some leads will become dead ends.
Not every post will be pc, in good taste, or agree with the reader’s viewpoint, nor will every member’s post be a reflection of the total group.

There’s a time you’ve got to go
and show your grow’n and now you know

I don’t know about others, but I certainly feel that I have been shown a side of people in their words and their tone, displayed in recent posts, that I hadn’t seen in the past. I do feel that I know more about those people now.

When the world never seems
to be living up to your dreams
and suddenly you’re finding out
the facts of life are all about you

This seems to fit the recent posts from jimmy’s forum. It seems that guilt mixed with the stress of life was making…the world or LCF seem that that they are not living up to the dreams of some, and suddenly they are finding out the facts of life/some of the facts of the case are about them and now they want to make everything about them or their efforts to stop Kimkins.com.

It takes a lot to get them right
when you learning the facts of life
learning the facts of life….

It does take some time to learn and understand the objective of some or the person behind the words. I know I personally had placed respect for a person that now appears to have not deserved that respect, so I guess I didn’t get that one right.

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Low Carb Forum “Fascination thread”- the Red-headed Stepchild of the Kimkins Investigation?

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The idea that the LCF- fascination thread can at times become a tad, unruly or snarky is not a new theory. If the members who participated were told as much that probably would say….Yes, that is true so those who find it not to their taste, should in their own best interest, refrain from reading the thread.

But most of the time the thread participates are called “haters”, “lynch mob”, or it is implied that they are just there out of boredom; trying to find something to do while waiting for news on the legal aspect of things. This belittles every effort that has been in the past, currently and even future actions by those so called ‘haters’. That is where the defense mechanisms kick in and the members then feel compelled to defend all prior work on the case.

This scenario has happened more times then I care to remember, because quite frankly, it gets old. I have grown weary of defending the hard work that I know everyone is doing. Well, at least the ones that post there frequently. I also know there are groups that do work outside of LCF as well. I for one am feed up with those who love to read the updates and be in the know, but don’t want to subject themselves to our humor or whatever the person is condemning us for at the time.

You would think by now the members who participate in the “fascination thread” would have grown accustomed to being treated like the “red-headed stepchild” in the anti-kimkins family. Being told that yes we have been good, but not good enough! We get a pat on the head and a tongue lashing to hopefully put us in our place.

Then the scenario repeats itself again in a few weeks. Although the scenario has happened many times, one of the most shocking blows came from Becky a.k.a. Littlebit formerly of Kimkins.com recently.The following is Becky’s post on us the LCF members…..the red-headed stepchildren ………

Post- Dec 14 2007, 03:41 PM

I am actually very upset with the LCF people and the blogs for being part of driving that site out of business. In fact, I am furious!

They can like it or not, but she was not a fraud, she was successful and real, and was well within her rights to start a business selling her diet. Contrary to their misinformed opinion, anyone can sell a diet, without a doctor or nutritionist affiliated, as long as it is within minimal safe legal standards, which hers was (and Kimkins isn’t). She stated up front what the diet was better than Kimmer did (low carb, low cal, low fat), offered more support and more caution than Kimmer did, and kept calories higher, up within the range of MANY commercial diets that operate freely and unimpeded. The site cost her money she may or may not have recouped, and it certainly deprived her overnight of a stream of revenue she no doubt counted on. She has lost her business (and hopes of funding reconstructive surgery, apparently) right before what should have been her busiest season.

If they are opposed to anyone making money off of diet support, there goes entire sections of every bookstore in the country, and just about every diet board online, because they all make money to pay the bills somehow, whether in selling information, support services, ad space, or products.

If they think it is wrong to sell something without ALL the details being known first, they had better get appointed head of the FTC, and pull down half the marketing out there on the web. Better yet, become a majority in Congress, and change the rules. FALSE information, like Kimmer gave, is illegal. Withholding disclosure of info required by law is illegal. What the chicken site did is lawful marketing, whether we like it or not.

This was important to her, and a mere passing fancy to many of them, and they helped to destroy her business.

If it had had anything to do with Kimmer, WHY would the guy have taken out an ad for a freelancer to make it like the Kimkins site? After all, Heidi OWNS Kimkins, has the tech team that BUILT Kimkins, and could use that template to pop up another in a flash.

Congratulations. They ended up doing Kimmer’s dirty work for her, and managing to get her competition shut down.

They will not rest, apparently, until Tippy’s site and this lady’s site and anyplace else current Kimkins members might really fell warmly welcomed is gone.

Yet they are patting each other on the back and doing the happy dance. I am disgusted.

Furthermore, LCF still has the Kimkins diet there, with many Kimkins threads devoted to it. If the Magic Chicken Lady was dangerous, what about LCF? True, there is the Fascination thread, which has done a lot of good work, but the rest is also still there, too, and nothing to stop people from following it as Kimmer always promoted it. Tippy’s new site and the Magic Chicken site both have better bottom limits than that.

On top of that, they did to the Chicken Diet lady what they did to Tippy, and others — insulted her looks, questioned her intelligence, mocked her spelling and grammar (and that of her family), and cast aspersions on her character, her intentions and her other dealings, on the merest of suspicions, with scanty evidence. Debate over evidence is one thing, but ad hominum attacks are uncalled for.

They have even had a go at Hector Diaz, remarking that ‘maybe his elevator doesn’t go all the way to the top floor’. He has been willing and able to participate in providing valuable info to the proper people, and he comes under attack? Out of line!

I appreciate the value of the Fascination threads, and the good intentions and contributions of many people there. However, this out-of-control nonsense is exactly why many people (including Tippy) didn’t listen to them over Kimmer. The true message gets lost in the ugly noise.

Heidi is the true, deliberate scammer here. Every other player, to some extent, has been duped and used.

The ends do not always justify the means.
We are wading into people’s hopes and dreams and fears and very identity and self-definition. Shame on us if we trample and misuse and exploit that!
Then we are doing to them what Heidi Diaz has already done.
It is wrong to re-victimize the victims, just to make our case!

Now, they can have a go at me, if they like.

 

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Where there is smoke there is fire…Especially, when it comes from Kimkins

Tippy has posted that she does in fact have a website called campcarbaway(dot)com and she is excepting members. The odd thing is she didn’t mention her partners in this. Hmmmmm……………… Is Kimkins.com
a distance memory or is it a new domain? Will Kimkins
come forward with any input?
But here is what TT did say-

Tuesday, December 11, 2007

Is There Another New Website?

“There is another new website and it is not the Magic Chicken diet site either. It is a site set up with the intent of providing a home to Kimkins members who may find a need for a new home soon. The site is also open for all dieters and plans. This site does belong to me and is not affiliated or linked with Kimkins site in any way.

If you would like to join this site you must first register and then be approved. Email me at baitingerjeannie@yahoo.com and let me know what user name you chose and who you are.

campcarbaway.com

Peace to all and happy holidays”