Has Kimkins Caused You Harm?

If you purchased a membership in kimkins.com please take a moment to read the following:
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Harmed By Kimkins? Share Your Story on National TV

Have you experienced medical problems due to Kimkins?

Do you have any medically documented health issues related to the
Kimkins Diet?

Do you have some free time this weekend for an exciting opportunity to appear from the comfort of your home, on national television, in a prime time spotlight?

If you have suffered any of the following doctor verified medical conditions:

• Dizziness
• Nausea
• Muscle fatigue or weakness
• Heartbeat palpitations
• Moderate to severe hair loss
• Bone and joint pain
• Mental changes – irritability, forgetfulness, confusion
• Bowel complications/symptoms of laxative abuse

as a result of your experience with the Kimkins Diet, and would like this exciting opportunity to share your experiences with the public, please contact KimkinsonABC@gmail.com within the next 48 hours.

No travel will be required, an ABC crew will come to you to discuss your experience.

If you know of anyone who fits the above-mentioned medical criteria, please share this contact information with them for this important opportunity.

Update- ABC taped a show exposing the  fraudulent acts of Kimkins.com as well as the unsafe calorie level of the Kimkins diet, which uses 500 calories a day as a way to offer fast weight loss. Kimmer often compared this calorie level to that seen in gastric bypass surgery patients.

The taped show was first picked up and shown on the ABC show- Good Morning America. Check out the show posted on the GMA website here- Kimkins video.

Christin did a great job in her account of her Kimkins journey and I am glad that she was willing to offer her story to ABC.  The story could still be picked up by other ABC shows and the I would love to see 20/20 do a big segment based on the story.

After viewing the story you may also find the follow up article of interest and want to leave a comment.
ABC News: Online Diet Comes Under Scrutiny

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“Kimkins Miracles Do Happen”- Reads The Affiliate Marketing Article for Kimkins.com

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Yesterday evening, while leaving comments at the various links that wildangel had posted, an affiliate “article” turned up. The article starts with the following-

“To those entire figure-concerned people who are frowning at the sight of their bulky abs and stomach- have you heard about Ms. Kimmer and her achievements? If you haven’t then, here is the surprise for you, she was the one who was able to lose more than 198 lbs in a single year, and she’s the one who actually shared her experience of her very own custom made diet which proved so amazingly successful- she is the founder of the Kimkins Low Carb Diet!”

The article was utilizing the same fraudulent claims that roped in the previous members of kimkins. But what really caught my eye was the title- “Kimkins Miracles Do Happen.” My first thought was sure, The Real Miracle is the Fact That No One Has Died From The Kimkins Diet?….Yet!
This is a concern that many of those aware of the Kimkins diet have been expressing- “It is a wonder no one has died from that diet”. It has been said in various ways but with the same tone of trepidation. We see the dangers of Kimkins, we read the posts of those doing the diet, we read the studies on the risks of a vLCD (very low calorie diet) and we pray that someone doesn’t die, before others are contemplating that these concerns could very well become a reality.

We need the various agencies to take note of the harm that Heidi Diaz’s advice can cause. Here are some of the posts where Kimmer/Heidi Diaz recommends daily stimulant laxative use. Note that many times it is not due to a member being constipated but expressing concerns over not losing weight.

A member asks:
Hi Kimmer,
I’ve been taking milk thistle for about 9 days and still not helping with making things move
I have 1000mg capsules and take once a day, should I take another later in the day?
I used a ex-lax type pill once and never again thank you…
If this doesn’t get me going I’m thinking of starting the MOM route…[…]…

Kimmer Responds:
If anybody is doing MoM, it needs to be a daily thing since Kimkins is low in fiber. If you take MoM and get “action”, then stop taking MoM, everything will begin backing up again and the scale will show a fake gain.
Are we going to be laxative addicts? No. Once you’re close to goal and begin adding back good higher fiber carbs (not Twinkies!), things will move on their own. Or maybe not? The market is chock full of laxatives and not everyone who’s buying them is doing low carb so there must be a serious constipation problem out there!
A reminder for dosage is take the maximum dose the first (and maybe second) night, then a 25% or 50% dose every night thereafter. It’s meant as a gentle reminder.

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A member asks:….[…]..I have read the other forum posts including the longish one by the moderator talking about the different kinds of laxatives, but I still dont really have a “plan” and need one.
Any help would be very much appreciated!

Kimmer responds:
Psyllium works by bulking and absorbs water. You might even see a temporary weight gain if it’s working as a “plug”.

I’d look into a stimulant laxative like epsom salts (blech!), Senakot or senna tea. Once you begin using a laxative you need to keep it up — otherwise you’re emptying the bowels and it will refill.
Kimkins is low in fiber (but in all fairness, the way most people eat isn’t anywhere near 30 grams of fiber a day anyway) so I suggest a 25-50% laxative dose every day to keep everything moving. I also take 4 milk thistle capsules (2 am, 2 pm) which has a natural laxative effect (but doesn’t produce instant results) and helps the liver.

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A member asks:
is it necessary to be on something like MOM or should ou wait until there is a problem??

Kimmer responds:
XXXX, you know your body best. Kimkins or Kimmer Experiment have very little fiber and some people have potty problems. The MoM (or epsom salts) help. I’m not a fan of laxatives, but I think it’s more dangerous to have waste building up inside.
If you need “something” I recommend taking a regular dose for 2 days, then a 25% or 50% dose every day after that as a gentle helper

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A member asks: Today is Day 6 of Kimkins for me. I’ve been very dedicated and haven’t had any cheats. However, this morning the scale was up .6 lbs. Anyone have any idea why that might be? …[…]..

Kimmer Responds:
First, remember that everything weighs something before it’s eliminated. (potty)
Second, check whether you need potty help since our fiber is low.

Third, if you’re using any bulking/fiber laxatives that will slow you down.
Fourth, be sure of your calorie/carb counts, sauces, cuts of meat, skip DaVinci.

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A Member Asks:I woke up feeling bloated and yucky so I decided to do a fast for 3 days. I have done them before and love the feeling and of course, the results. When I finish my fast do you think I should move to the KE or go directly to Kimkins?[….]…
Kimmer Responds:
Honestly, I think I’d go with Kimkins and break your fast with small “veggie” servings, every 2-3 hours.
If your calories are still low (and veggies naturally are), there’s no “gain” … other than food waiting around to be processed (ewww!)
When I break, I start with maybe .5 cup of lightly steamed veggies (cabbage, snow peas, sprouts) and maybe a steamy bowl of chicken veggie soup for dinner. A mild laxative might be something to keep in mind, just to keep things moving

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A Member asks:
Ok.. so I’m on day 4 of a water/diet soda fast and I get on the scale this morning, and I have GAINED a pound!!…[…]… I think possibly sleep deprivation might have something to do with it as well. I’ve been working alot of OT recently and I’ve been getting to bed at about 1:30am and then getting up at 5 am. I have not taken MOM for that reason…it would keep me up all night! I’m not going to give up yet, though..I’m going to take MOM tonight when I get home, and then once that’s over with, get a good night’s sleep. Any thoughts or opinions would be welcome though, because let me tell you, fasting for 4 days with no results is definately no fun.

Kimmer Responds:
XXXX, how’s “Potty” going? It’s impossible to be at 0 calories and not lose.

Sounds like a huge backup — or did you carb up before the fast? It’s a natural response to being deprived of food, but your body still has to process those carbs & deplete your liver.

Kimmer Responds again:

XXXX, if you (or anybody) takes MoM or other laxative, it has to be a daily dose.

If you take it once, clean everything out, the empty area will simply begin refilling again. All very low carb diets are low in fiber and the bowels slow down.

As you read the dangerous advice given by Kimmer, remember that this is just a small fraction of the recommended laxative abuse that can be found on the site. It is just a small glimpse of the disregard, that Kimmer shows for the potential health risks in her doling out advice.

This issue goes beyond the parameters of consumers who have been scammed. Yes, the members of Kimkins we scammed by Kimmer’s fraudulent marketing and I was one of the ones who fell for it too. But the effort of stopping Kimkins.com is not about reimbursement of the $60.00 that members paid for their Kimkins membership. The ultimate goal is to get federal agencies involved in order to stop kimkins.com. The ones fighting the fight are also using their voices to give notice to the potential victims, who may be anyone’s -Mother, sister, daughter, father, brother or son- that this is a dangerous route to take when trying to lose weight.

In fact- It is a Kimkins Miracle That No One Has Died From The Kimkins Diet?….Yet

If you bought a membership to Kimkins.com then please sign up for the Kimkins Lawsuit because we want Kimmer to answer to her actions!

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The Fight Against Kimmer and Kimkins Needs You!

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Many of us have been discussing how do we achieve our final goal of getting Kimkins.com to become an error page? How do we get more people to file out the forms, write the letters and get involved.

The pending class action lawsuit is a tremendous step in the right direction but will it get us to that final destination of a 404 Error page when a person tries to log into the kimkins website? If everyone would take a moment and review the steps needed to file a complaint:

 

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-Why Does it Matter So Much Which Comes First on the Thread? The Magic Chicken diet or Kimmer?

Ok, I never really blogged or discussed the Magic Chicken diet on the LCF “fascination thread”, not because I didn’t find the information revealed suspicious or questionable, but because other things were taking up my time. When I was able to discuss the topic the focus had become more on the recent out of left field posts found on Jimmy Moore’s forum, which I did blog about below. However, there has been so “much noise” being made over the MCD, that the “message has gotten lost”. It seems that those who want myself and other LCF members to forget the “innocent” MCD only continue to bring it up and defend it. The message of don’t discuss the MCD have actually been the reason it has been discussed.

This only adds to my curiosity over the MCD. It does not draw me away from it. Those who defend the diet do so without knowing the idea behind the diet and even go as far as labeling it just like Atkins or having better bottom lines than Kimkins Diet. Really? This is based on their own viewing of the diet itself or is it only said to get others to agree that MCD is not to be questioned? Why? Oh, that’s right to protect the innocent. ROFL!
The innocent? Who gets to be included in this definition of innocent. Would it be the potential “innocent” thousands who could shell out money for a product that is dangerous and/or a fraud? That would be who I define as innocent, not the few people- owner and her SIL, that have been brought up as innocents involved. Their motives have been questioned and so have their business practices. That is not harm, but only consumers asking the hard questions. If you start a business you should be prepared to answer to those to whom you are trying to sell this product. If you want to remain nameless then don’t use your name on your website or in your emails.

The other reason given as to why this MCD should not be explored is because of the information regarding the request for a clone of the Kimkins.com site. (Great find by Mariasol) Some say, “why would Kimmer do this when she has access to her own web guys who set up the original site?”
Come on people use your heads, kimmer is using hers! Why would she make a trail that lead back to her or Kimkins.com? If Kimmer has shown us anything it is her ability to set others up to take the fall in their involvement with Kimkins Diet, while she is on the side-lines using them as much as they will allow themselves to be used.

Who had all the stickies up at Kimkins.com? Not Kimmer.
Who was on the front of Woman’s World promoting the diet to the nation? Not Kimmer.
Who was on the boards defending the Kimkins.com site and the bannings taking place when the members were speaking out? Not Kimmer.
Who was on national tv defending Kimkins.com to the nation and defending the site and the diet after it has been shown to be a fraud? Not Kimmer.

But yet Kimmer wouldn’t have those who were partnering up with her to start a new website go and solicit a design that clones hers, because she has tech guys that she works with and that set-up the kimkins site.
Oh, No certainly not Kimmer! -that was sarcasm for those who don’t recognize its use- or at least pretend it is above them, much like all the other actions done by the “redheaded stepchildren” of LCF a.k.a the DUCKS!
You know I am beginning to think it really is above them to do what we do…..Yep, it goes right over their heads!

Now, that my interest has been piqued, I think I will look into this some more once the holidays and the festivities have settled down. So to those who worked on the MCD uncovering of information- Great job! If it truly turns out to be nothing more than a website who needed to be made aware that consumers are watching and that they are copying a fraudulent site, then still a positive outcome. If it shows that the MCD site was not giving sound diet advice and others read this or the other blogs who have reported this, then well at least that was accomplished! If it turns out to be more….well then I will be sure to let you know!

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Tippy Toes Rhetorical -“Why Me?”- was it really -“Why don’t You Like Me?”

Tippy Toes recent apology -that really wasn’t -and her blog -that was short lived- has many on LCF discussing TT’s behavior and reflecting on TT’s past actions. One item that seemed to come up was when TT deliberately attempted to cause issues with another member’s diet. Here is my recent post regarding the subject. You decide if this is the type of person you want supervising your weight loss or teaching you the ins and outs of Low Carbing!
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-Pooticus you were not asking for advice in the thread. Someone had asked about sweet treats. You posted a recipe option that you and your Denny enjoyed. Then TT posted to you and then comments on Kimkins how she was giving you bad dieting advice.
Here is where TT attempts to derail Potticus’ dieting –
Reference- delicious experiment

 

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originally posted by Tippy Toes-

 

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Originally Posted by pooticus

i do this for denny with macadamia nuts and strawberries. i make a ganache.

1 square unsweetened chocolate
2 tbsp heavy cream
1 tsp fiberfit
1 pck of sweet one
1/2 tsp of erythritol
1 tsp sf davincis

warm the cream and all the sweeteners in the micro till very hot but not boiling. crush up the chocolate square and melt it into the hot cream. if necessary nuke for about 10 seconds at a time stirring after each.

then measure out about 1/2 tbsp and drizzle over 6-8 macadamia nuts or drizzle over strawberries. even just a small drizzle over the strawberry or other berry is enough to give him his chocolate fix.

afterwards i cover the ganache with saran so it sits on the surface of the ganache then wrap with another piece of saran (chocolate absorbs flavors from the fridge very easily) and put in frigerator. keeps about a month. i just reheat 1/2tbsp or a 1 tbsp at a time using a bowl floating in very hot water.

Oh, Pooti, that sounds soooo good! Nice to run into you, BTW! Have you tried the recipe for the Reecees Peanut butter cups in the recipe room? OMG–those are to die for! Only thing is I never found the little muffin tins so I just make them in large muffin tins. Still very few carbs. And best of all I was able to eat as many as I wanted and always lost weight! Be sure and try the

 

Now over at Kimkins Tippy Toes posted this
Quote:

Re:Uh OH,,,my goose is cooked! 1 Year, 2 Months ago
Someone copied that thread and I got to read it. All I can say is OMG–what a horrid woman! xxxx, are you OK after all that? Just for that I am going to follow her posting and bug her as much as I can. I’ll be sure and tell her you said hello (LOL!). No, I won’t do that but think I’ll shake her up a bit. She and I used to post on a thread together and she seems to like me. So, xxxx in your honor I am going to give her some really bad diet advice and let’s see just how fat I can get her, lol! I am pulling out fattening lc recipes now. I wonder is she like peanut butter cups made with LOTS of butter?

I think Tippy’s words show the issues that Tippy would cause on various threads at LCF and how she would behave in group situations. She is like the junior high girl that wants to be your friend, so she tries to do things to make you think she is ‘Kewl’. But it backfires on her and then she gets to mope around and feel even more sorry for herself. People like this make themselves the victims and everything is everyone else’s fault.
Tippy’s “Why Me?” question may as well said, “Why don’t you like me?” for all the maturity her words and actions have shown.

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Tippy Toe’s Blog has a Short Shelf Life!

For those of you who have been following the Kimkins Diet
saga you are familiar with Jeannie Baitinger, a.k.a. Tippy Toes, who was PR director at Kimkins until recently.
It seems that once the assets of Hedi Diaz were frozen, pending legal proceedings, that Tippy Toes suddenly was rethinking her position there at Kimkins.

Now, had TT’s heartstrings started to get a tug due to the role she was playing in promoting a fraud? My guess is that it is her purse strings that felt the tug, not her heart strings.
Remember, it was less than 3 weeks ago that she was on a national morning show on fox, called the Morning Show with Mike and Juliet, were she was supporting Kimkins.

Not only did she support Kimkins but she actually scolded Christin along with Deni for their previous dealings with Kimkins. So while Tippy has been fast to recognize any part that others played in helping Kimkins succeed, she has yet to recognize her own responsibility.

Here was her short lived Blog that was posted briefly and then removed. No comment as to why, but I suspect it was over the negative reception it was getting on the board at LCF.

“Friday, December 7, 2007

TippyToes Blog

So here I am. I have much to say. This cannot be done in one day. Although I won’t leave this blog up forever I will leave it running long enough to hopefully clarify some issues.

Who am I? I am Jeannie Baitinger. I am a person who has battled my weight for my entire life. And it was this very battle that, although won, came with a hefty price of reputation. And I will explain this as best I can.

I found LCF in 2004. My weight was 263lbs on a 5′ 7″ frame. My health was failing, I had to go on blood pressure and cholesterol meds and in general felt tired, washed out and ill most days. My husband also needed to lose 50lbs and he too was in poor health. He was diagnosed with diabetes and a host of other issues followed. I knew we both had to do something, but what? I found LCF and saw the success pictures and I was most impressed! I started hanging out in chat and I gave the Atkins diet a try. I cooked Atkins friendly foods for both of us and the magic of Atkins began to work! We lost some weight and ate like kings and queens. We were most impressed and very satisfied.

I began to make chat friends and eventually branched out into the boards. I liked so many people and I thought it was so neat to make friends from all over the place–even making one great and long term friendship with a girl from England and we are very close to this day.

A year went by and suddenly the magic of Atkins stopped working for my husband and myself. It wasn’t so bad for him. He had dropped 40lbs and was not only off his diabetes meds but declared “cured” by his Doctor. But I was still over 200lbs.

I was told stalls are normal, be patient. 6 long months passed with a gain and loss of the same 5 lbs only, over and over. I recall a moment I broke down and cried, thinking this was the best it would ever be. And I was still considered the horrid word, OBESE. I felt trapped in my own body. I tried adding carbs, cutting carbs, moving up the carb ladder but the result was always the same for me.

A dear friend from LCF (and who I love so much today) told me about a plan called Kimkins. I gave it a try and PRESTO, I started to lose weight again right away! Kimkins gave me hope and a renewed sense of desire to make it happen–to finally be a normal person. However, I found Kimkins to be rather difficult to follow for long. When the weight loss paused I would return to my Atkins ways and maintain the loss. When I felt ready to go back to Kimkins diet, I would and while repeating this cycle I found success.

But doing Kimkins diet came with a price from the LCF members. I was constantly told I was ruining my metabolism. I was told over and over the diet was unhealthy. I did not believe I was hurting myself. I followed the plan as written (original Kimkins and K/E) and never starved at all. I kept my calorie levels reasonable. The difference was cutting out as much fats as possible. True it cut calories back in the process but the results were outstanding. But again, I was met with many well meaning people who constantly lectured me for doing this diet. Meanwhile I was actually getting healthier according to my Doctor who took me off all my meds with success. So who was I to listen to? I knew what was working for me. And I was never shy about sharing this with others, especially those stalled who were ready to give up.

Perhaps it was the sharing that caused me the most trouble in the long run. I joined Banta Babes because they are a group who are opened to any kind of plans. I was so thrilled with what I was learning and I shared with them. Kimmer opened her site and many of us joined at $14.95, and I considered that a small price to pay for such a fantastic plan. We continued to post at LCF as well. One post I read was from Michele. She seemed really happy for those of us losing so well on Kimkins but she said she had tried Kimkins and it never worked for her. I was rather surprised to read that as she was the first person ever to say it didn’t work. So I posted, telling her that a few of us were doing well with it and would she like to try it again? Big mistake for me. Michele was offended, thinking my post somehow implied she didn’t know HOW to do Kimkins. That was never my meaning and I stand firmly by that today. I was only trying to help. I sent her several PM’s offering explanation as well as apology for the misunderstanding. Another member also made a comment who thought my post implied the same as Michele’s assumption. I PM’d Michele and told her I would not post in Banta any further. Her responses were pretty good, or so I thought. Meanwhile many Banta members sent me PM’s saying they didn’t understand where the rage was coming from either. I could name them all but because I am banned from LCF now I cannot prove it. I have no more PM’s to retrieve as proof.

Magicsmom, who was also following Kimkins and Mariasol met me at Kimkins chat shortly afterwards. Mariasol didn’t have much to say one way or the other but Magicsmom had plenty to say. She said she thought I meant the post to mean the same as Michele’s interpretation. I did my best to explain this was simply not true. As the author of the post, who knew better how it was meant than myself? But it was clear I wasn’t getting anywhere. I was humiliated for my mistake and confused too. Now, if you think I am not telling the truth, the offending post is still at LCF in Banta Babes to this day. I hope you will read the thread for yourselves before you base your opinion.

There was a thread I helped start called The All I Want For Christmas Crew. Later it became Support Unlimited. I returned to it. Melly’s first post following mine made a reference to cockroaches running when the lights came on… I knew it was meant for me. Melly and I have not always seen eye to eye. We tried to be friends at one time and started calling each other almost daily. But I was getting turned off by Melly for the simple reason I do not enjoy participating in gossip. I was hearing a lot of “she did this and she did that” about another admin who I liked a lot. I just couldn’t take it so I cut off contact with Melly. I returned to the thread anyways because there were lots of my old friends still there. And I had missed them. Melly and I learned to be civil to each other but we never became close again. I did not want to.

There were a few there who were hot and heavy to lecture me for my Kimkins cycle ways. And yet, I saw so many of them unable to lose anymore themselves. I didn’t understand this. I still don’t. I became pretty fed up with the constant lectures for my diet choices. I knew I wasn’t starving myself and I wasn’t. It seemed like more drama than well meaning. No one wants to be lectured…

I spent some time at Kimkins but saw that cycling with Atkins wasn’t very friendly there either. There it was Kimkins or nothing for many. Oddly, Kimmer always said Kimkins made a fine springboard for other plans but some were just die hard Kimkins only fans. So when I would cycle to Atkins for a maintenance break I would return to LCF.

I did eventually find some Kimkins friendly threads at LCF. I taught them how to cycle. I was afraid of people getting stuck on too low of calories and not being able to maintain. To this day I don’t know if that is true or not but I heard it so often I didn’t want to chance it. I did tell people not to stay on Kimkins long for this fear. Not because I thought the Kimkins diet was dangerous.

Later I will go into details of the recipe I gave to pooticus to supposedly make her fat. And I will go into details about my husband’s colon check up and why. And I will try to answer more. I will also address the two months I subcontracted at Kimkins.

But for today I have a question for banned KK members. Why do you all think I was the only person who could ban a member? I keep insisting I only banned a small few and yet people seem to imply they have proof otherwise. I would very much like to see this proof. This is an issue I am very confused about. Every single admin there can ban without asking Kimmer. Kimmer herself can ban. Why me?”

The “why me?” question was purely rhetorical, since the blog was closed to comments…..
Then faster than you can say SNATT- they blog was deleted. It seems that Tippy Toe’s blog has a shorter shelf life than-low carb bread on a hot, humid, southern, summer afternoon.

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-The Kimkins Fraud a Lesson to Online Affiliations and Dieters Alike

A new blogger has entered into the anti-kimkins arena and is warning affiliates how Kimkins can be a lesson to them. Read more about her story here. Kimkins and Other Affiliate Marketing Nightmares

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